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Name: Frenchy
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Mar 21, 2018 10:55 PM CST
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webesemps
Mar 21, 2018 10:56 PM CST
chadu82 said:@webesemps (Bev),
I'm just curious, are those semps from Mountain Crest grown over the course of a year from seed? I wouldn't be able to leave there empty handed.


I gathered that cultivation of semp offsets was the propagation method being used there. The variety of semp cultivars is achieved by the purchase of semp/succulent collections or trading/buying of cultivars not in their existing inventories. If anybody knows different, please correct me.
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Mar 21, 2018 10:58 PM CST
webesemps said:

I gathered that cultivation of semp offsets was the propagation method being used there. The variety of semp cultivars is achieved by the purchase of semp/succulent collections or trading/buying of cultivars not in their existing inventories. If anybody knows different, please correct me.

Yes Bev I concur - that is what I heard as well regarding where they get their semps. They don't grow from seed...yet...never know I tip my hat to you.

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valleylynn
Mar 21, 2018 11:09 PM CST

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Cultivars will not come true from seed, offsets of the cultivar parent rose have to be used. All of the semps at Mountain Crest are grown from offsets from parent plants. They work very hard to produce the healthiest plants possible, and to keep the inventory correctly IDed.
They have a wonderful crew working for them.
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chadu82
Mar 21, 2018 11:24 PM CST
Lynn and Greg,

Thanks for the info. I kind of thought that about growing from seed but I wasn't 100% sure. There are soooo many semps in the pictures, I can't imagine all the offsets needed to produce so many. They put my little 5 washbin operation in Oklahoma to shame.... Hilarious! But then again, you've gotta start somewhere! Hurray!
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Mar 21, 2018 11:32 PM CST

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So true Chad.
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Mar 22, 2018 8:00 AM CST
Great shots Bev and Lynn,

So cool to see my ex-babies being grown so well!

Great to meet their worker Jordan too. What a nice guy even though he tried to call me SIR. Nothing that formal in these parts. At least he didn't call me DOCTOR. That's even worse!

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Mar 22, 2018 9:52 AM CST
What an amazing trip. Thank you for all the pictures. Lucky you!
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Mar 22, 2018 10:28 AM CST

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Jordan was our knight in shining armor, he brought us home safely and entertained us in the process. Great young man. Hurray!
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valleylynn
Mar 22, 2018 10:36 AM CST

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Adding this from the Chat Thread:
ricos said:
Chad they are grown from the babies from last year. At my nursery it takes about a year from the time I plant a small chick until I get a full sized Mama with chicks of her own. I think that they probably can do it faster in California as it is just warmer(I am in Washington) plus that greenhouse is set up to water automatically which means they can probably fertilize through the water system and push them along much faster. Here is a photo of flats of sedum ready to go last summer at my place. These are 3 5/8 " pots. Takes longer to grow but you get a better root system. I have had great success with Mountain Crest starts. Really great folks.
You girls had way too much fun. I'm the same color as Tim and not because it was just St Patrick's day Hilarious!


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tcstoehr
Mar 22, 2018 10:48 AM CST
I asked the MCG folks if they did leaf propagation or tissue culture propagation, which I have no idea if that's possible or not. They told me it was offset propagation only. Of course, they may be holding back some trade secrets. Blinking

Bev, thanks for all the followup reporting. And I think that unknown green semp I mentioned might be 'Hopewell' based on attempting to read the label from the back side. But it doesn't really look like it and my x-ray vision ain't what it used to be.

I think I know why my 'Lemon Sky' keeps failing. They keep sending me this one.
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Mar 22, 2018 5:31 PM CST
Oh wow! Look at all those beautiful plants. I know I would come home with a car load if I ever went there. Maybe two.
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valleylynn
Mar 22, 2018 5:36 PM CST

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I know they only do offset propagation. Remember they are growing in a greenhouse with controlled conditions, they will offset much quicker than ours would. They keep the greenhouses on the cool side to keep the semps healthy and happy. Also lots of airflow.

Here is 'Waterlily'. What a lovely green heuffelii.
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Kevin Vaughn seedlings.
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Helen Payne's 'Lavender and Old Lace'.
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webesemps
Mar 22, 2018 5:48 PM CST
Great photos, Lynn! Smiling
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Mar 22, 2018 5:50 PM CST

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Wish we could have spent more time there.
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chadu82
Mar 22, 2018 7:05 PM CST
@valleylynn, were you able to purchase any of those in your pictures?
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AntMan01
Mar 22, 2018 9:15 PM CST
First of all, thank you Lynn and Bev for this look into Mountain Crest...Fantastic!

In the photo listed as "Kevin Vaughn Seedlings", I have a question or two. Based on seeing so many mixed plants (maturing seedlings) in that view, is Kevin making first pass on review on seedlings, then delivering that first pass to Mountain Crest to grow on because they have room, and there is further joint review and narrowing of selection... or perhaps is hybrid seed on Kevin's crosses shared with MCG for them to grow on then ultimately Kevin will review. Just trying to understand when I look at the photo, how the selection process is happening. To the point, what is the evaluation and selection process?
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Name: Bev
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webesemps
Mar 22, 2018 9:26 PM CST
Mark, you can start with this video and continue onto the others as a 4 (?) part series on Kevin's process for selection. Hope these help to answer your questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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valleylynn
Mar 23, 2018 8:57 AM CST

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Mark, those seedlings are going to be used for landscape projects done by Mountain Crest. Those are all un-named seedlings that didn't make the cut for one reason or another.

Chad, I only brought one plant home as a test plant, sent it with Bev to test. I am not ready to add more semps to my collection at this time. Maybe later. Smiling
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Mar 23, 2018 11:17 AM CST
valleylynn said:Mark, those seedlings are going to be used for landscape projects done by Mountain Crest. Those are all un-named seedlings that didn't make the cut for one reason or another.


Ah, got it. I was wondering, after selecting the "keepers" out of a batch of semp seedlings, what does on do with all the seedlings that don't pass muster, either compost them or if there's a option to fill some sort of need, project, or sales of mixed NoID semps, that all makes sense.

I have the same issue with Epimedium seedlings, I used to donate lots to our Town garden club's annual spring plant sale, but I stopped doing it last year, too much frustration with the club's "intake team", they struggle with the basics: green side up, root side facing down....oh, you mean they need water, and roots shouldn't be left in the air exposed to the sun? D'Oh!

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