Plant ID forum: Confirming tree identity

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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 21, 2018 5:18 PM CST
I want to confirm or deny that these trees in my new front yard are curly willows (Salix matsudana 'Tortusa').

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I know they are under 7 years old because that's when Google Maps was last updated and they were not there.

What do you think?

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islander
Mar 21, 2018 6:50 PM CST
I think they are Salix matsudana 'Tortusa'
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Growmore
Mar 21, 2018 6:59 PM CST
Sorry. No offence intended but!
Please folks if you require a plant or tree to be identified. An overall photo not simply a bunch of branches. A view of the trunk and bark, plus some foliage and flowers if available. Also some info asto where it's growing and any other indicators.
Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 21, 2018 7:15 PM CST
islander said:I think they are Salix matsudana 'Tortusa'


Awesome. Thank you!

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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 21, 2018 7:15 PM CST
Growmore said:Sorry. No offence intended but!
Please folks if you require a plant or tree to be identified. An overall photo not simply a bunch of branches. A view of the trunk and bark, plus some foliage and flowers if available. Also some info asto where it's growing and any other indicators.


Nope, not necessary. Somebody had already confirmed it.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Mar 21, 2018 7:57 PM CST
Hi Jai,

We had these trees in California. Watch them closely if they are near your house or over the driveway. I have only had two trees break and hit the roof, a "corkscrew" willow (Salix matsudana 'Tortusa') and a California Pepper. The best part is that the California Pepper was the replacement tree after the Willow fell. Rolling on the floor laughing

BTW, you can start them by sticking a branch in the ground and watering it.
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islander
Mar 21, 2018 8:47 PM CST
We all got the cultivar name wrong. Missing an "o". 'Tortuosa'
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Mar 21, 2018 9:18 PM CST
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Mar 21, 2018 9:24 PM CST
Sighing! add an "o"

@Growmore, you will soon learn that you will have to request (politely) more information on EVERY ID. We are used to it and sometimes (as in this case) someone actually recognizes the tree/plant/shrub with minimal information. If you don't see an identification right off, be patient and wait. Someone will. We are a world wide network of garden buddies, all with different background and experiences.

Jai has been a member since 2016. He knows what to provide for us to ID his new and exciting plants (he just moved). I knew what it was immediately but couldn't respond as I was on my way someplace... Obviously, so did several others.
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 22, 2018 6:26 AM CST
DaisyI said: Sighing! add an "o"

@Growmore, you will soon learn that you will have to request (politely) more information on EVERY ID. We are used to it and sometimes (as in this case) someone actually recognizes the tree/plant/shrub with minimal information. If you don't see an identification right off, be patient and wait. Someone will. We are a world wide network of garden buddies, all with different background and experiences.

Jai has been a member since 2016. He knows what to provide for us to ID his new and exciting plants (he just moved). I knew what it was immediately but couldn't respond as I was on my way someplace... Obviously, so did several others.


Yep, I knew somebody would recognize it quickly. I was almost certain myself, just looking for confirmation. Now if I can get the "identified" button to work. That's what always gives me trouble. lol
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 22, 2018 6:26 AM CST
islander said:We all got the cultivar name wrong. Missing an "o". 'Tortuosa'


Ooooh, thank you. I copied and pasted it, so somebody else is missing an "o" too!
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fwmosher
Mar 22, 2018 8:42 AM CST
I just looked out my upstairs window, down at my 10' "curly willow" that I started from a bouquet years ago. The branches, all reaching skyward are decidedly yellow and thus difficult to confuse with most other trees! Not suggesting that the picture is not that of a "curly willow" just giving a definitive identifier, i.e. the yellow uprights, all over. I'd take a picture, but in the couple minutes between when I looked at it first, it is now a blinding snowstorm! LOL.
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Leftwood
Mar 23, 2018 12:17 PM CST
Frank, your upright form is the "original" corkscrew (curly) willow form; it had its heyday back when there were no other tortuous forms in the market. I am not sure how it is differentiated in botanical nomenclature, but you are right - it is different. In much colder Minnesota, it is not as cold hardy as most of the others. Thirty years ago, lots of people grew it up here, and it would die back severely every 2-4 years.

Growmore
Mar 23, 2018 6:47 PM CST
DaisyI said: Sighing! add an "o"

@Growmore, you will soon learn that you will have to request (politely) more information on EVERY ID. We are used to it and sometimes (as in this case) someone actually recognizes the tree/plant/shrub with minimal information. If you don't see an identification right off, be patient and wait. Someone will. We are a world wide network of garden buddies, all with different background and experiences.

Jai has been a member since 2016. He knows what to provide for us to ID his new and exciting plants (he just moved). I knew what it was immediately but couldn't respond as I was on my way someplace... Obviously, so did several others.


Thank you Daisy. With the greatest of respects might I ask you to read my message again. You mention being polite. I think I did exactly that by more or less apologizing in advance. If I may. I am a British Dr of horticulture and plant pathologist with seventy years experience. I do think that your comment was somewhat un-called for. Nevertheless. Enjoy your gardening.

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greene
Mar 23, 2018 9:25 PM CST
Growmore said:
I do think that your comment was somewhat un-called for.


Please and thank you...and as politely as I know [email protected] Since you are new here on this site and since you are from the UK, perhaps before you take offense you might try to look around the site a bit more. I have noticed that you have (on other threads) claimed to intend no offense...any yet...(I will not finish that sentence).

Please, take some time to get to know all of us. We are very nice people and many of us (sadly, myself not included *Blush* ) have education, credentials, and experience. We may not brag about it as you have done in a few posts, but we have got the goods!! And, by the way, @DaisyI knows quite a bit about plants so let's not be too hasty to point fingers and make blame. Thank you for reading my post. And of course, I mean no offense. Thumbs up I tip my hat to you.

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islander
Mar 23, 2018 11:40 PM CST
I had to hard-prune 3 large trees of this last year in February with a chainsaw. I then cut all the smaller branches off the cut big branches and bundled them for using in floral arrangements. I had quite a bit of up-close contact with this plant.
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Bonehead
Mar 24, 2018 12:04 AM CST
Growmore, I found no offense from your post and thought it was both cordial and polite. Some members tend to get a bit strident, for reasons that elude me. This is a crowd-sourced site, everyone is welcome, we share information, and there are very few 'rules'. It does not hurt to ask for additional information, especially on an ID question. I look forward to your future input.

Back to the plant in question, I have used 'twisty willow' (my personal name for this plant) prunings as chicken roosts which makes for an interesting look.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Mar 24, 2018 12:52 AM CST
Growmore said:
Nevertheless. Enjoy your gardening.


You enjoy your gardening too @Growmore.
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Mar 24, 2018 5:47 AM CST
Growmore said:
I am a British Dr of horticulture and plant pathologist with seventy years experience. I do think that your comment was somewhat un-called for. Nevertheless. Enjoy your gardening.


No. Her comment was fine. You may not adjudicate that here, regardless.

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purpleinopp
Mar 24, 2018 7:30 AM CST
Time for a group hug! Let's all give each other the benefit of doubt that all came here for the love of plants, to learn and share, and that in writing, without benefit of facial expression and other visual cues, doing so is necessary. Assume the positive and all comments here seem quite benign to me. I never assume anyone is being mean or snarky, and usually don't see it when others do. As much responsibility lies with the reader as the author. And if one is convinced they've found snark, 2 wrongs don't make it right.
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