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Mar 22, 2018 7:27 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
Folks,

Anyone seen OT 'Largo' available from anywhere as bulbs? Visited Lane Spence in New Zealand and he had it growing - it was past bloom time but the stem were huge and it looked really nice due to the very dark stems. I looked up the flowers and they looked nice too but haven't seen it around anywhere...

Thanks!
Patrick
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Mar 22, 2018 8:17 PM CST
Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I haven't even heard of it. Is it something from one of their local hybridizers out there maybe?
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Mar 22, 2018 8:29 PM CST
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I believe it is Dutch origin.
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Mar 22, 2018 8:40 PM CST
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Van Zanten Co. Largo is trade name according to the Fourth Supplement.

https://www.royalvanzanten.com...
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Mar 22, 2018 9:41 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
About the same info I found with a google search. Dutch OT hybrid. Not sure if it is sold by other names or available for retail sale in the USA? The one web site I saw showed it as a 2016 intro so it seems rather new?

Stems in Lanes's patch were 2nd year and over 6 feet tall. Comparing it to other things he was growing in his unprotected patch it could be really tall when given ideal conditions. This is one I will keep looking for.
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Mar 22, 2018 10:00 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
Here is the site I found that spoke about it:

http://www.newplantsandflowers...
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Mar 22, 2018 10:06 PM CST
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If you ever get it Patrick I would like to know how it grows for you. I have never been able to keep an OT of that color very long, they would succumb to virus. The photo on that link reminds me of Paraguay; I got two years out of it.
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Mar 22, 2018 10:26 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
Connie,

When you say they succumb to virus do you mean they showed signs of virus and you removed them or they showed signs of virus and died on their own?

Thanks,
Patrick
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Mar 22, 2018 10:49 PM CST
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Oh I get the buggers out ASAP. There has been a time or two I left them but I don't like to do that.
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Mar 23, 2018 6:25 AM CST
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Patrick, how long had Lane been growing it? Curious.
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Mar 23, 2018 6:08 PM CST
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Largo looks very nice and I hope you can get hold of some bulbs, Patrick. For what it is worth, I haven't seen it for sale to gardeners here in Europe either. OT lilies in dark pink towards the mystical "red" color are some of my favorites as long as they do not fade too much.

I had a dark pink NOID blooming here for 4 years (but gave the bulbs away to a few friends this autumn); 'Palazzo' is 3 years, 'Douglas' and 'Carbonero' only 2 years; and finally the almost red 'Formia' is also 2 years old. All so far without visible virus problems.

I have however not grown them very close to old lilies, that would be probable Typhoid Mary's. This hasn't really been by design, but perhaps it was fortunate that I placed them where I did. Smiling
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Mar 24, 2018 1:49 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
magnolialover said:Patrick, how long had Lane been growing it? Curious.


Tracey,

I thought he said he has been growing it for two years but I could be mistaken. I will ask him.

Patrick
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Mar 24, 2018 6:42 AM CST
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Some of the deeper pink/fuschia Dutch OTs wash out here with exposure to temps in the high 80s and 90s. I do enjoy the tones though and end up trying them. Ramona (Faraway Flowers) might be a good one to ask if there's any way she might be able to get it in her line up for next year.
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Mar 24, 2018 1:06 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
magnolialover said:Ramona (Faraway Flowers) might be a good one to ask if there's any way she might be able to get it in her line up for next year.


Ramona was the first person I asked. Thumbs up She said she hadn't come across it yet.
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Mar 24, 2018 2:44 PM CST
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Planting that seed, so to speak, is good. She'll keep it in mind as she considers what to add andif she sees it she'll know about it.
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Mar 24, 2018 3:48 PM CST
Name: Frank Mosher
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Hey Oriental Lily Lovers!

I just received, Mar. 1, this email from Flamingo Holland Canada in this case, from edwin.degeus@flamingoholland.ca

'We have the following Orientals available for Spring planting"

Name bulb Size Remaining Qty Price

Marlon 16/18 400 @651.33/1000 (or .65 cents each)
Nymph 16/18 600 @627.54/1000 (or .63 cents each)
Portland 14/16 600 @503.35/1000 (or .50 cents each)
Santander 16/18 1000 @659.54/1000 ( or .70 cents each)
Sorbonne 16/18 1000 @ 627.54/1000 (or .63 cents each)
Table Dance 16/18 400 @659.54/1000 (or .73 cents each)
Yelloween 16/18 1000 @627.54/1000 (or .63 cents each)

Just to make something clear: I have no association with this company except that I have ordered a lot of bulbs (all kinds) from this firm over the years, particularly OT Lilies.I know you can't buy lily bulbs at these
prices, nor can I anywhere else! There will be freight charges, Fedex/Purolaror/ whatever, but you may benefit from our Can $ be only equal to .80 cents yours! Not certain about their policy. Anyway, I have spent so much money this year on other plants, that I just can't squeeze in any more for Lilies. Just want to pass on the offer. You can buy whatever quantity you want (but you should make your purchase worth the freight charges). Last year I bought a slew from them, and still have all of them. Just beautiful. Imagine 50 OT's in one bed, same type, then another 50 or 100 in the next bed. Beautiful!
Just FYI. Not selling anything, just love O.T's! Cheers!
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Mar 28, 2018 4:42 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
magnolialover said:Patrick, how long had Lane been growing it? Curious.


Confirmed that the stems I saw growing in his patch were 2nd year. I contacted the Dutch firm listing it on their site to see what their min order is. They confirmed they sell bulbs to growers in the US for cut flower and they must have some sort of growing area in New Zealand as that was referenced in the email that they would have a new crop arriving from there in December. My guess is they sell some bulbs locally in New Zealand to catalogue companies. Interesting to learn how these global cut flower bulb companies grow things globally and ship them all over the world and manage the customs challenges. Not sure I will qualify for their min order but doesn't hurt to ask.
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Mar 28, 2018 4:47 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
I just looked up the Dutch firm address in New Zealand and we drove right past it last week while I was there on vacation. I saw some lily fields but we were on a bus and flew by so fast it was hard to tell what it was.
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Mar 28, 2018 4:49 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
William said:Largo looks very nice and I hope you can get hold of some bulbs, Patrick. For what it is worth, I haven't seen it for sale to gardeners here in Europe either. OT lilies in dark pink towards the mystical "red" color are some of my favorites as long as they do not fade too much.


William - thanks for confirming. Looks like it has mostly been sold into cut flower to this point. I am sure there is more money in high volume wholesale sales than working with resellers into retail.

Regards,
Patrick
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Mar 28, 2018 4:55 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
fwmosher said:Hey Oriental Lily Lovers!

I just received, Mar. 1, this email from Flamingo Holland Canada in this case, from edwin.degeus@flamingoholland.ca

Just FYI. Not selling anything, just love O.T's! Cheers!


Frank - thanks for passing this on. I did a bigger order like this myself last year with Gloeckner. They sell to cut flower growers but have some varieties in 25 bulbs lots and min order was only $100 per shipment. I got tons of bulbs for a good price and things grew well. My biggest issue was that 2 out of 10 items were not the correct variety. With me being a small order it is not a big priority to make things right. This is a good way to buy large quantities to get lots of flowers if you are breeding or want to do stuff with cut flowers.

Regards,
Patrick
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