Roses forum: ID these roses?

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Name: Carly Rush
San Diego California (Zone 10a)
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carlysuko
Mar 24, 2018 12:30 PM CST
Hello,

Awhile back a former co-worker gave me these cut roses. I kept forgetting to ask her the names. D'Oh! They were soooo lovely. They stems were much thinner than what you would see on a hybrid tea or grandiflora. The flowers themselves were smaller than hybrid teas, grandifloras, or floribundas but definitely bigger than miniatures, and very full. The pink I didn't detect any scent but the yellows scent was heavenly. I attached some photos, hoping somebody recognizes them. Especially the yellow, and I don't usually like yellow but I could make an exception for this one. Big Grin Oh yeah I forgot to mention I no longer work with this person nor have any means of contact. Thanks!

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Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Mar 25, 2018 4:22 AM CST
The yellow looks like a David Austin rose, possibly Golden Celebration. The fragrance and thin stems also makes me think it is probably an Austin rose.
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Mar 25, 2018 6:39 AM CST
If you look at the American David Austin website, they do show cut roses available here. Are you going to try to root that rose? I sure would!
Or did your co-worker cut these from her own garden? I think Neal is right about it being an Austin, bet money on that.
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Name: Carly Rush
San Diego California (Zone 10a)
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carlysuko
Mar 26, 2018 8:57 AM CST
Hi Neal, yeah I was thinking maybe a David Austin but I wasn't sure. Thank you so much. I just may have to order one now.

Hi Cindi, yeah she got it from her garden and at the time I had every intention of rooting it but time got the best of me. So I will see if it's not too late to order one. Thank you both! Hurray!
Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Mar 31, 2018 5:46 PM CST
I really don 't understand where the thought came from, that one can take a cutting from any "modern HT rose) and add rooting hormone and presto A sibling??? Just not true!
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Mar 31, 2018 6:34 PM CST
No, but some folks are remarkably successful at it.
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Apr 1, 2018 1:24 AM CST

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Some folks and all of the own-root rose nurseries.
Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Apr 1, 2018 7:02 AM CST
I think it's considered a clone rather than a sibling.
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Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Apr 7, 2018 2:32 PM CST
ZUZU: Good point! Own-root roses!! Not easy at all, if even possible with "modern HT's"! The clarification bears emphasizing. No?
Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Apr 7, 2018 3:37 PM CST
Rooting a "David Austin" from a cut flower???? C'mon, this thread I respectfully submit, is starting to get a little absurd. While lots of plants can be started from cuttings, and I certainly have done my share of same, and continue to do so as I type, "grafted modern HT roses" are extremely difficult, if even possible to establish from cuttings and to advocate otherwise, is simply to mislead those striving to glean new, credible information on this forum. Cheers!
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 7, 2018 4:15 PM CST

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Yes, David Austin shrub roses will grow from cuttings. In fact, the only one in my garden that has refused to do so is English Elegance. I have tried for years to root some cuttings of English Elegance because it's one of my favorite Austins, but the cuttings wither away and die without growing roots.

The only other rose in my garden that stubbornly refuses to produce viable cuttings is First Kiss, a floribunda.

These two roses have always been conspicuously absent from the own-root roses offered by most nurseries, so it's not just a matter of my technique.

Frank you said: "Own-root roses!! Not easy at all, if even possible with "modern HT's"! My answer to that is yes and no. It's not easy, but it certainly is possible.

I personally am heavily biased against own-root hybrid teas, but as in all cases, it depends on the rose and it depends on the nursery. Most of my hybrid teas are grafted, but many hybrid teas are no longer available in grafted form, so I've bought hundreds of own-root hybrid teas over the years, with mixed results.

The thousands of dollars I spent on own-root hybrid teas from Vintage Gardens and Heirloom might as well have been thrown in the garbage. All but a few failed to grow well on their own roots. Some of the same roses from VG and Heirloom that failed actually did grow well when I bought them from other own-root nurseries, however, so some nursery practices clearly work better than others. Unfortunately, most of the nurseries that supplied me with viable and vigorous own-root hybrid teas have gone out of business -- Amity, Ashwood, The Uncommon Rose, Sequoia, Moore's, Roseland, and a few others. If I wanted to buy more own-root hybrid teas today, I'd look for them at Northland Rosarium and Roses Unlimited.
Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Apr 7, 2018 9:29 PM CST
I've rooted florist cut roses before, not sure why that seems so absurd. Only a few of many attempts rooted, and ultimately they didn't grow well or weren't winter hardy, but they sometimes can be rooted. Most of those would likely perform better grafted. If an imported cut rose will root I don't see any reason a locally cut Austin rose wouldn't.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 7, 2018 9:37 PM CST

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Some florists treat their cut roses with a chemical that discourages rooting, but others don't. I've rooted a few cuttings from Safeway rose bouquets just by snipping off the bloom and plunging the bloomless cutting into the ground or a container. It sometimes works, even without rooting hormone, but, as Neal points out, most of these roses don't grow well unless they're in a hothouse in South America.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Apr 8, 2018 7:52 AM CST
Florist roses are bred to grow well under certain conditions ... ie, greenhouses. It's almost impossible for us to replicate.

I just remembered that my rose mentor, Kim Rupert, made several post years ago about the variables that impact the propagation of cuttings. These are individual posts and are taken out of context of the whole thread, but contain good information about the variables that impact success with rooting cuttings.

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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Apr 8, 2018 11:45 AM CST
Good info there Lyn! Thank You!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Apr 8, 2018 12:39 PM CST
Kim is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to roses ... Smiling
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