Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: Euphorbia ingens oditity

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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Mar 26, 2018 12:53 AM CST
Ive look up euphorbia ingens seedlings, and didnt find anything. Ill try to post this on several sites, just so i can get a clear answer.
The strange part about this plant is that no small ones exist. As in almost all specimens on the web are already with a predetermined thickness range(>5cm/2inches in diameter). How come ive not seen even one photo of a seedling or a youngling?
Are all wholesale manufactured euphorbias cutting clones? Has anyone tried growing from seed?
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Name: Stefan
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Mar 26, 2018 12:55 AM CST
I apologize for the spelling error, something has happened to left eye, and the tittles have no auto correct.
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Baja_Costero
Mar 26, 2018 9:16 AM CST

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The plant is self fertile and volunteer seedlings are not uncommon underneath plants in the ground. Here is a picture of one. The stem is narrower and the color is different from a rooted cutting.



The reason you don't see seedlings more often is that it's much much faster to start a new plant from a cutting.
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Name: Stefan
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Mar 26, 2018 9:24 AM CST
Im not passing judgment yet, but that doesnt look like at all like the ingens that ive seen in real life and in pictures....
It even has a pattern on it... leaves too. What gives? Looks more like a trigona.....
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Baja_Costero
Mar 26, 2018 9:27 AM CST

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Yes, that is what seedlings look like.
Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Mar 26, 2018 9:35 AM CST
So, if i were purchase seeds, and grow them, id probably wont recognize the plant, and argue with seller. Good to know. Still shocking. Id think its a different species or something.
On the other hand, this somehow looks better than the lime green clone cultivar we have in nurseries.
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Baja_Costero
Mar 26, 2018 12:00 PM CST

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I think over time the seedlings look more and more like the rooted cuttings... and probably after many years they are pretty similar.

I have seen E. ingens seedlings for sale but it seems to be more as a curiosity than anything else. Maybe somebody monetizing their volunteers. The monstrose forms tend to have a seedling appearance. The thing about E. ingens (especially in the ground, in a garden) is that it loses branches all the time in high winds. This is pretty much guaranteed on an annual basis unless you prune the plant regularly (with a similar result). So there is always an excess of cuttings. That combined with the speed at which the cuttings take off makes the seedlings a fun experiment to try but not much more.

But given the quantity of seed a mature ingens plant makes by self-pollination (when ours is going strong, thousands a year), it ought to be a cheap experiment, should you desire to play. Smiling

I have seen the volunteers pop up and mostly ignored or tried to remove them (the one in the picture is the only one I ever let grow). When I went to the effort of collecting seed and planting it, I got to see the whole process, which is good to do once. One of the unexpected surprises was that about a third of the plants which grew out from self-pollinated seed had no chlorophyll, so they did not get a whole lot further than seed leaves before they died.

As a side note, this is a good example of Euphorbias that look different when started from seed vs. cuttings. The other obvious examples include some medusas (which will grow from an arm but never develop a symmetrical head that way) and some caudiciforms (which fail to develop a properly fat caudex when started from cuttings). Some plants will grow long and lanky without much branching when they are started from a cutting, which is generally a minus.
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Name: Stefan
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Mar 26, 2018 12:59 PM CST
Yeah, i guess you are right about that. I think ive seen the seedling/grownup difference on some other tropical plant that was thought to be extinct or something, but forgot the name. Like ive stated before, im fairly new to euphorbias, and would like to know all the missing pieces as ive learned for cacti and other succulents. Since ive taken a slightly different , more careful approach toward euphorbias(because lets face it, 6 years of growing cacti are enough time to figure out all the twists and turns of growing succulents). Similarly, ive almost immediately figured out that my pachypodium lamerei suffered from drought and dehydration(stem was soft and rubbery , but root hard)., and watered it, now its stem is hard and has let out new leaves. Thing that is different in a way, is that the thorns hurt a lot less(though i hear the latex makes up for it), than cactus spines. And i find some of their shapes quite pleasant to look at(aegruinosa, obesa, medusas, horrida,).
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