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Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Apr 2, 2018 7:44 AM CST
Bits and pieces of my useless information. Out of seven hundred and seventy registered "Hanson-C" daylilies I only have Bela Lugosi (most expensive daylily back then) and Self Determination. Seeds from @Gramps yielded me some from "The Goldilocks Effect".
Another Tidbit, he has more plants registered that I have seen with women underwear in it. Whistling
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Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Apr 2, 2018 8:24 AM CST
Missed this one. Swallow Tail Kite
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Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Apr 2, 2018 11:52 AM CST
I once had Bella, and still grow Swallow Tail Kite. I have a few of his left, and they
have been good plants. I rarely buy any with a flower under 6.5 inches because my
program is extra large flowers. I also refrain from buying plants that are sexually
suggestive or religiously suggestive, or if I can't pronounce the name.

One of my friends visited his garden in 2016 or 17, and he had a giant mountain of
discarded plants. The friend asked about them, and Curt told him that if a plant isn't
worth 25.00, he gets rid of them. My friend is like me, I would be more likely to buy
five daylilies at 20.00 than one at 100.

JimTim
Apr 2, 2018 3:36 PM CST
Deryll,

A lot of people agree with your view that five daylilies for $100 is a better investment than one daylily for $100 (or, for that matter, $250). After all, daylilies always decrease in value. For people who take a pragmatic view of growing daylilies, there are a number of online retailers who serve the $10 daylily market. But that's not the market Curt serves. There are legitimate business reasons for someone like Curt to abstain from the $10 daylily market. First, it's time consuming. Cataloging, weeding, digging, and shipping daylilies takes the same amount of time whether the daylilies sell for $5 or $150. Second, if you're marketing a premium product, whether it's a $2,000 purse, a $100,000 car, or a $250 daylily, you don't want your "premium" product associated with cheaper, less exclusive goods, like $10 seedling rejects. Third, hybridizers are focused on the future, not the past, and $10 daylilies, no matter how beautiful, are typically not on the cutting edge. I'm not suggesting that Curt has the best business model, or even the right business model, only that there are plausible reasons for him to try to maintain higher prices on his newer intros, while composting his rejects.
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Apr 2, 2018 5:56 PM CST

Moderator

A quick note to those who are having trouble with Curt's website -
Curt is aware of the problems and shares in your frustration. The best route for placing an order if you are having trouble is to email him. He looks forward to hearing from you.
Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Apr 2, 2018 7:48 PM CST
Jim Tim-

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I just place my orders with
other nurseries like Floyd Cove or Tim Bell or Dan Trimmer or Dan Hansen
who also have plants at lower prices that I might be looking for. Quite often
I can find a similar plant for a lot less if I shop elsewhere. I am more impressed
by places that cater to my needs and value me as a customer who sometimes
chooses the cheaper plants. My feelings are not hurt if I am not on his client list.
I have to be very cautious with my expenses, and if being frugal puts me out of
range for Crintonic, there are worse things. My original post was that his plants
on his website were a bit pricey. It was just a simple statement, and yet I have
gotten all kinds of adverse reactions from other members.

With the number of new releases every year it is hard sometimes to get every one
on my list, and I am thankful for a price break any time I can find one. I will spend
the money when I feel they meet my criterion for "cutting edge". Being a backyard
hybridizer I am always a few years behind anyhow, and it isn't generally worth the
price when I only use them a year or two for pollen and then discard them.

As for the ones he was discarding, they were his own registrations, not seedlings.

I believe in fair market value, but I don't always agree that every new registration
is automatically worth excessively high prices when many are just average plain
old ordinary daylilies.... just like mine! I have a field full of them.
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
Daylilies Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Region: Vermont
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Char
Apr 3, 2018 6:14 AM CST

Moderator

Deryll said:Jim Tim-

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I just place my orders with
other nurseries like Floyd Cove or Tim Bell or Dan Trimmer or Dan Hansen
who also have plants at lower prices that I might be looking for. Quite often
I can find a similar plant for a lot less if I shop elsewhere. I am more impressed
by places that cater to my needs and value me as a customer who sometimes
chooses the cheaper plants. My feelings are not hurt if I am not on his client list.
I have to be very cautious with my expenses, and if being frugal puts me out of
range for Crintonic, there are worse things. My original post was that his plants
on his website were a bit pricey. It was just a simple statement, and yet I have
gotten all kinds of adverse reactions from other members.

With the number of new releases every year it is hard sometimes to get every one
on my list, and I am thankful for a price break any time I can find one. I will spend
the money when I feel they meet my criterion for "cutting edge". Being a backyard
hybridizer I am always a few years behind anyhow, and it isn't generally worth the
price when I only use them a year or two for pollen and then discard them.

As for the ones he was discarding, they were his own registrations, not seedlings.

I believe in fair market value, but I don't always agree that every new registration
is automatically worth excessively high prices when many are just average plain
old ordinary daylilies.... just like mine! I have a field full of them.


I've read this post and all the previous ones many times over the past 9 days. Apparently the comments and adverse reactions from other members to your posts have been misunderstood or ignored. No matter how you reword or rephrase your comments about Curt's prices, other comments contained in your posts are making it very clear that this is a personal issue.
I'm suggesting your personal attack on Curt come to an end in this forum.

Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Apr 3, 2018 9:58 AM CST
It is in no way a personal attack! It is only an observation!

My comments above were generally speaking and not directed at any one person.

I will not be back on here.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
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Scatterbrain
Apr 3, 2018 10:59 AM CST
Hazelcrestmikeb said:Bits and pieces of my useless information. Out of seven hundred and seventy registered "Hanson-C" daylilies I only have Bela Lugosi (most expensive daylily back then) and Self Determination. Seeds from @Gramps yielded me some from "The Goldilocks Effect".
Another Tidbit, he has more plants registered that I have seen with women underwear in it. Whistling
Thumb of 2018-04-02/Hazelcrestmikeb/d892ba



And how many women have you seen in their underwear, Mike? Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Apr 3, 2018 11:19 AM CST
I went to look at the order form on Curt's site (just left of the shopping cart) and the $10 shipping is on there in the comments.
Vickie
May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
Dog Lover Cat Lover Rabbit Keeper Container Gardener
Scatterbrain
Apr 3, 2018 11:21 AM CST
Wish I could get Touch of Faust, just for the name!😊

One of my cats is called Faustus and he is a black smoke mau, that daylily sounds just perfect for him!
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Apr 3, 2018 11:24 AM CST
I was just eyeing Last House on the Left! That is how we used to describe where we lived to visitors, lol!
Vickie
May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
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JamesT
Apr 3, 2018 3:15 PM CST
blue23rose said:I went to look at the order form on Curt's site (just left of the shopping cart) and the $10 shipping is on there in the comments.


Exactly. It seems so simple and routine that I have no idea what the complaining is about. The Crintonic Gardens ordering process is the same as almost every hybridizer (even most online daylily resellers) I have bought from.

Download and print the order form from the website.
Fill it out.
Include payment.
Envelope, address, stamp.
Drop in mailbox.

Some hybridizers & resellers will accept an email order and PayPal. I like that, but it falls under the heading of "frills & extras". If I were doing the digging and selling, I think I'd prefer to work from a chronological stack of printed orders.
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Apr 5, 2018 8:23 AM CST
@Scatterbrain, Nikki in answer to your question. A lot on TV Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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