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Mar 27, 2018 12:27 PM CST
Estacada, OR
You say "there is an 80% chance that you will be past the danger of a hard 24° freeze on December 30". This is incorrect; at this date there is an 80% chance that one will NOT be past a hard 24° frost. The correct data point for an 80% chance of being past a 24° frost is Feb 15. Confusing!
Mar 27, 2018 3:23 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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We have discovered other 'problems' with the charts. Thank you for pointing this one out. We will hand it over to our Boss for him to review and do any necessary fixing.

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Mar 27, 2018 3:29 PM CST Admin
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The page is correct and there are no problems with the charts that I am aware of.
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Mar 27, 2018 7:51 PM CST
Estacada, OR
To be clear, I'm not referring to the chart itself. As far as I know, the chart is correct. The column labels are fine, but you refer to them in your example incorrectly. The example presented to assist in reading the chart cites the 80% column as the date "there is an 80% chance that you will be past the danger of a hard 24° freeze...". This is not true. Your 80% column is the date there is an 80% chance of NOT being past the 24deg frost. The column where there is an 80% chance of being past the 24deg frost is in fact labeled 20%....unless you meant the chart to refer to the comparable latitude in the southern hemisphere...
Mar 28, 2018 6:22 AM CST
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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You can't rely on all the safe frost charts, or planting date guides.
For example : The USDA guide, says thank my safe frost date is, February 4th. There is a planting guide. That tells me, that I can direct seed tomatoes, February 5th.
I'm going ! What, No way !
Hear, February weather is usually in the lows of freezing to low 40s. Highs in 50s to 60s. Tomato seeds ! outside 😮!!! wouldn't even sprout.
We had frost 3 times this month.

Fresno's safe frost date is April 15th.

I'LL advise you to, BEST ! Ask a local farmer, or an experienced local gardener when your safe frost is.

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Mar 28, 2018 11:26 AM CST
Estacada, OR
Thanks, Phil. Preaching to the choir. I've seen a lot of sites with misleading info. In my case, frost dates vary greatly with altitude. My town (Estacada OR, 4 miles by the crow) shows a date based on the town center's el. of 455'. We sit well above that at 1,155'. NGA's chart is reasonably accurate (at least it's consistent with other trusted sites). My point is their example aids for reading the chart are incorrect.
Mar 28, 2018 3:51 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
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The problem has been brought up before
The thread "Frost Dates Chart" in Ask a Question forum
and there has been no explanation for the antithetical meaning of the preface wording to the charts.
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Mar 28, 2018 4:15 PM CST
Estacada, OR
Thanks!! I was beginning to think my thinker was not thinking straight! After reviewing the other thread you referenced, I agree we've done all we can to help out NGA with their site. If they don't want to change it, oh well.
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