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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 1, 2018 3:32 PM CST
Inspired by @ljones26 beautiful thread on purples and pinks, I want to share some glaucous grays. Of course, in practice most gray plants range into blues and especially greens, but some really are gray. I only have a few to share:

A species of Kalanchoe or Cotyledon (waiting on it to flower to find out). It's much shorter than the last time I posted it because I divided it into cuttings.
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Senecio stapeliiformis.
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This was sold as Senecio scaposus but I think it's Senecio hawthorii.
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Echeveria derenbergii.
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Echeveria "Lola."
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Gasteria glomerata.
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Another "Lola."
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My wide-leaved Sanseveria has lots of pretty gray. It's easiest to see up-close.
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But here also is the whole plant. The second plant grew entirely last year, which surprised me. I'm waiting for it to break the pot before I re-pot it.
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I also have a few I forgot to photograph: Sempervivum arachnoideum, Adromischus cristatus, and some baby Lithops who are hard to photograph, but there's my grays! Smiling
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 1, 2018 6:40 PM CST

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Very nice! Thumbs up Here is a Dudleya in habitat that I saw earlier this week. It is about the whitest these plants get (they are variable).

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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 1, 2018 6:47 PM CST
That looks much bigger than I realized they got too!
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Baja_Costero
Apr 1, 2018 8:29 PM CST

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A bit wider than normal but those leaves are on the short side, less than an inch long. Here is a different clone of the same species with 3 inch leaves for comparison.

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More Dudleyas from the patio here... a few glaucous plants, then a green one and hybrids between green and glaucous plants, to show what a half-glaucous Dudleya looks like.

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Name: Jai or Jack
WV (Zone 6b)
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 1, 2018 8:33 PM CST
They're so pretty! I must confess that I've never grown a Dudleya. *Blush*

I don't see them for sale very often but I think I have seen seeds somewhere or another. I may have to try. lol
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 1, 2018 9:01 PM CST

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No, you aren't going to see Dudleyas for sale much outside their native region (the Californias and just beyond)... some of them are kind of picky when they're not in their comfort zone. They like mild temperatures, dry summers and wet winters, with lots of light in winter. Too much deviation from any of those requirements and they tend to melt down. Dudleya seed is quite fine, almost dust-like, but the progress is fast (by succulent standards). The rosette might reach full size after 1-2 years with good care.

Here is a family portrait of some other glaucous Mexican plants, to stay on the theme of the thread.

Mother


Seedling offspring
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plantmanager
Apr 1, 2018 9:19 PM CST
I tip my hat to you. I start drooling every time you post your photos, Baja. You have incredible plants.
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lauriebasler
Apr 1, 2018 11:04 PM CST
Yes, both Jacks and Baja, your plants are so pristine and perfectly healthy. I am in awe of such perfect care. I struggle to keep these kind of plants looking so perfect.
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skopjecollection
Apr 2, 2018 3:58 AM CST
So of mine. Dont know if "hairy" counts though
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Name: Jai or Jack
WV (Zone 6b)
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 2, 2018 8:10 AM CST
lauriebasler said:Yes, both Jacks and Baja, your plants are so pristine and perfectly healthy. I am in awe of such perfect care. I struggle to keep these kind of plants looking so perfect.


The majority of my plants aren't pristine or healthy--they're dead, like all gardeners'. The ones you see are just the ones that made it this far. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 2, 2018 7:22 PM CST

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I hear you there. The Dudleyas are almost like weeds here, so I go with what works. I had volunteers sprouting in about 10 different pots on the patio this season. I tend not to take many pictures of them during their down time, so you don't see then when they're all small and hunched and frowny. Smiling
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skopjecollection
Apr 2, 2018 9:59 PM CST
Baja, can you leaf propagate dudleyas?Sorry for getting of track.
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 2, 2018 10:10 PM CST

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No you cannot.
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skopjecollection
Apr 2, 2018 10:55 PM CST
So, only through seed then... is it self pollinating?
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 3, 2018 12:09 AM CST

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Seed and cuttings. The ones that branch are pretty easy to propagate from cuttings. Here is an example of how that works.

The thread "A year in the life of a Dudleya" in Photo of Dudleya candida

I don't know if they self pollinate. We have wild plants just up the hill within the flight path of a hummingbird. They do hybridize though.
Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 3, 2018 3:59 AM CST
Here's a follow-up off-track question. Why were so many Dudleyas included in Echeveria is for so long? Taxonomically, how are they significantly different? The only thing I have ever really paid attention to enough to notice is the flowers.
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 3, 2018 9:48 AM CST

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Dudleya is closely related to Echeveria but there are some differences. The most obvious differences are in the Stylophyllum group which has open (flat) flowers, as opposed to the closed (tubular) flowers that are characteristic of Echeverias. I'm sure there are other more important things but that's what stands out at first glance. Dudleya is also geographically separate from Echeveria. There are no Echeverias native to the Californias (the closest to here is across the Gulf of California in mainland Mexico).

To stay with the theme of the thread, here are some glaucous Dudleyas in the park.... last group planted this past fall, others in previous years.

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skopjecollection
Apr 3, 2018 12:13 PM CST
Mines not the branching type, i only have the brittonii. Might be a tad etiolated, but no way i can provide safe growing conditions outside in full sun.(too much rain to often here in skopje).
Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 3, 2018 3:49 PM CST
Can you post pictures? I just want to see what they look like with indoor cultivation instead of outside in California/Arizona/Mexico.

The seeds I saw for sale were D. brittonii, I think. Would I be wrong to assume the seeds are sown the same as Echeveria? I've grown those from seed before but it's been a long time.
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Apr 3, 2018 5:23 PM CST

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I would treat them the same as Echeveria seeds. Maybe sow in the fall. That's when they sprout here.

Speaking of Echeverias, here are a few glaucous blue/green/gray plants on the patio...

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And these two glaucous hybrids are actually siblings.

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