Plant ID forum: Mystery Plant - need to ID as it's not doing too well

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rhikat
Apr 2, 2018 2:45 PM CST
Hi everyone!

I recently purchased this plant and the shop owner didn't know the name. He told me it might be related to sesame, but after trying to ID it myself I'm thinking it might be some sort of Jasmine ? I was told that it flowers but haven't seen that yet, I've only had it a couple months.


I'm hoping someone will be able to help me out with figuring out what kind of plant this is, so I can start looking into how to optimize it's location/watering.

Thank you!!

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tofitropic
Apr 2, 2018 10:16 PM CST
you are right it is a jasmine by name orange jasmine (Murraya paniculata) but not a true jasmine (jasminum sp)
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 3, 2018 2:33 PM CST
tofitropic said:you are right it is a jasmine by name orange jasmine (Murraya paniculata) but not a true jasmine (jasminum sp)


I agree it is Murraya paniculata.
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rhikat
Apr 8, 2018 10:11 PM CST
flaflwrgrl said:

I agree it is Murraya paniculata.


tofitropic said:you are right it is a jasmine by name orange jasmine (Murraya paniculata) but not a true jasmine (jasminum sp)



thank you both for helping me out !

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HamiltonSquare
Apr 9, 2018 12:48 AM CST
This plant posted has winged petioles and rachis that do not seem to fit with what i've been able to find on Murraya paniculata. No idea what it may be if not that. Shrug! Schrebera alata perhaps.
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tofitropic
Apr 9, 2018 2:31 AM CST
great observation @HamiltonSquare, I can see the winged petiole now, after you mention it, have not seen that on my plant either, (I start to think of feronia limonia, or feroniella, but that seems too winged)

however an image of seedling on this site, ( https://weeds.brisbane.qld.gov... ) shows winged petiole too, and being in citrus family it could still be possible that some specimen of M. paniculata could have winged petioles I guess.
or perhaps we will have to wait till it flowers, and fruits

For a schrebera it should have opposite leaves I think.
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HamiltonSquare
Apr 9, 2018 10:21 AM CST
Feronia and Feroniella both have thorns.
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rhikat
Apr 9, 2018 10:53 AM CST
HamiltonSquare said:Feronia and Feroniella both have thorns.


definitely no thorns here Confused

I've taken and added some additional photos of the leaflets that show better the petioles, since it seems like that might help to ID this plant.
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rhikat
Apr 9, 2018 11:03 AM CST
@tofitropic

That's interesting that I may have to wait until I see flowers / fruit to properly ID.

Do you have any tips for getting this plant to flower ?

I've done some research into Murraya Paniculata and it seems that people recommend feeding the plant quite often to encourage it to flower.

It is winter here at the moment though, so it is getting less sunlight and although I'm trying to keep the apartment warm it definitely does get chilly at times. I'm wondering if this could be why it was dropping leaves for a while. Could also have been due to repotting though.

Thanks for your help !! It means a lot to me Smiling

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Silversurfer
Apr 9, 2018 11:43 AM CST
Murraya paniculata leaflets are alternate on mature branchlets.

http://www.pitchandikulam-herb...

rhikat your plant shows opposite leaflets...with a winged rachis.
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 9, 2018 1:56 PM CST
Great catch Silversurfer!
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Silversurfer
Apr 9, 2018 3:39 PM CST
Try Aglaia odorata?
It is occasionally sold as a house plant under the name "Chinese perfume plant."
see pics below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Apr 9, 2018 4:04 PM CST
That looks exactly right to me. Hurray!
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Name: Tofi
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tofitropic
Apr 9, 2018 6:51 PM CST
Agree that look really a match, we have an ID now
it will bloom like this


Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Apr 9, 2018 7:52 PM CST
@ispahan may, if he's still around, be able to give rhikat some advice as he has grown it in Chicago indicated by his lavish comments about this plants virtues.
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rhikat
Apr 11, 2018 1:26 PM CST
@HamiltonSquare

@tofitropic

@Silversurfer

thank you all so much !!
That's definitely it.

I would never have been able to make the correct ID on my own, so I'm immensely grateful for your help !

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