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Name: Keith Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)              keithp2012 Apr 5, 2018 9:53 AM CST |
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Name: greene Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b) I have no use for internet bullies!             greene Apr 5, 2018 10:03 AM CST |
Yes.  Keith, please everyone...do not buy any plants from Home Depot. Lowes or Ace Hardware as the plants can and do kill bees - honeybees and others. There may be other stores, different stores in your local area, but the growers/wholesalers are still delivering these plants. Each store has promised to phase out the neonic-containing plants but that could take years. Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith" |
Name: Vickie Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)           blue23rose Apr 5, 2018 2:11 PM CST |
| Good point this time of year! I posted a notice on my facebook page about this last year and have really watched for treated plants for a few years now. Vickie May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown |
Name: Laurie b Western Washington (Zone 7b)        lauriebasler Apr 5, 2018 10:59 PM CST |
| Well, I must be living under a rock. I have not been aware of a tag I should be watching for, but I certainly will. I will ask from now on. Thank you for the important post Keith. |
Name: Christine NY zone 5a          Christine Apr 6, 2018 6:21 AM CST |
| Thanks Keith, I'm posting this on my face book page |
Name: Frank Mosher Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a)         fwmosher Apr 6, 2018 8:39 AM CST |
| FYI Home Depot to Phase Out Bee-Killing Pesticides! "Home Depot (NYSE: HD), the world's largest home-improvement chain, has announced that it has removed neonicotinoid pesticides, a leading driver of global bee declines, from 80 percent of its flowering plants and that it will complete its phase-out in plants by 2018." GOOD!! |
Name: Frank Mosher Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a) fwmosher Apr 6, 2018 9:20 AM CST |
| "Do not buy any plants from Home Depot, Lowes, or Ace hardware" ??? While I understand the enthusiasm to jump on this anti-pesticide bandwaggon, and certainly count myself in that crowd, one can't just make a "blanket ban" on buying "any plants" from the above-cited retailers. They buy from "growers", as do most retailers/garden centres nationally, offering live plants. Only a few that grow their own, and thus can if they wish, control what pesticides they use. Although I have been very good, in fact, excellent at being "apolitical" in any posting on this great site, I'm going to break my abstinence now: Your present EPA Director (regardless of what Party he belongs to) is hell-bent on tearing away "every environmental law and eco-concern," as fast as he can, and as such, there is a good probability that you will see restrictions drastically lifted on "available pesticides", let alone lifted on water and air quality. Just sayin! |
central Illinois     jmorth Apr 6, 2018 1:03 PM CST |
| So unfortunate for us. Nothing that's been done can ever be changed. |
Name: Jai or Jack WV (Zone 6b) Om shanti om.         Jai_Ganesha Apr 6, 2018 3:34 PM CST |
| If I see something I like, I'll still buy it. No sense in consumer shaming other people. Make your own decisions about plants and bees, but you have no right to instruct others how to shop (or not). Keep going! |
Name: Vickie Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b) blue23rose Apr 6, 2018 5:37 PM CST |
| I don't see it as trying to shame anyone. The more info a consumer has about any given product, the better. I know I was very glad to know about neonics when I first heard about them. Vickie May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown |
Name: Jai or Jack WV (Zone 6b) Om shanti om. Jai_Ganesha Apr 6, 2018 6:09 PM CST |
| Granted, shaming people like this is usually not deliberate or even conscious. There are a number of "shoulds" and "do nots" in the above messages that come laden with a value system not everyone shares. As gardeners we do all sorts of things VERY differently. This even includes using pesticides somebody else may think of the worst thing ever. This is subtle way to divide people, but it is literally telling others to do X, Y, or Z. A better tactic is explanation without deliberate, direct, telling people what to do. Gentle persuasion is usually more effective in the long-run anyway. Keep going! |
Name: Keith Long Island, NY (Zone 7a) keithp2012 Apr 6, 2018 7:38 PM CST |
Jai_Ganesha said:If I see something I like, I'll still buy it. No sense in consumer shaming other people. Make your own decisions about plants and bees, but you have no right to instruct others how to shop (or not). Wouldn't you rather they don't sell harmful plants sprayed to begin with? Sure, you can buy what you like, but i don't see why anyone would want to purposely buy these knowing the consequences. If bees die we all are affected and id rather have food to eat than buy pesticide ridden plants |
Cleveland, OH (Zone 6a) FrugalGramma Apr 9, 2018 2:51 AM CST |
| for the information. Our efforts seems small when compared to big business, but if this is an environmental issue with our precious pollinators I can buy elsewhere. (I never heard of this before!) |
Name: Mac Still here (Zone 6a) Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b        McCannon Apr 9, 2018 3:40 AM CST |
| @Jai_Ganesha I'm afraid I have to disagree with your "consumer shaming" comment. Sometimes you have to hit someone over the head to get their attention. This is one of those times when that's necessary. Many people are unaware of neonicotinoids and the damage they do. I think the comment initially posted by @keithp2012 was right on target. Your mileage may vary. I make it a point to learn something new everyday. I just wish I could remember what it was. The aboriginal people throughout the world and many cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them! "Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Name: Jai or Jack WV (Zone 6b) Om shanti om. Jai_Ganesha Apr 9, 2018 6:48 AM CST |
| You have the right to be wrong. You don't have the right to hit anyone over the head, either physically or with argument. It doesn't work. Keep going! |
Name: Gary Wyoming MN (Zone 4a) hostasmore Apr 9, 2018 7:30 AM CST |
| Welcome to NGA FrugalGramma! I noticed a definite increase in the number of pollinators on my lot last year! I would not purchase plants that I know have been exposed to neoniconoids, however i know I have purchased them in the past. I was made aware of them about 3 years ago now. I am not sure how long they have been in use. I need to educate myself about things like "once a plant has been treated with them is it forever in them?" The big box stores have been among the best sources for plant materials in my area. Most pesticides are indiscriminate, so one should always use them with caution. Most responsible garden centers have sold plants which contained them. |
Name: Frank Mosher Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a) fwmosher Apr 9, 2018 8:59 AM CST |
| FYI. Here is a partial listing of some of the products offered in North America, which I pulled off the "Net" containing "neonicotinoids." Important to note, that there are at least three more derivatives of neonicotinoids, none of which use the word "neonicotinoids" on the label, and the brands listed below, contain either neonicotinoids and/or one of the three derivatives: Pretty scary, if I were a bee! Bayer Advanced 3-in-1 Insect, Disease, & Mite Control Bayer Advanced 12 Month Tree & Shrub Insect Control Bayer Advanced 12 Month Tree & Shrub Protect & Feed Bayer Advanced Fruit, Citrus & Vegetable Insect Control Bayer Advanced All-in-One Rose & Flower Care concentrate DIY Tree Care Products Multi-Insect Killer Ferti-lome 2-N-1 Systemic Hi-Yield Systemic Insect Spray Knockout Ready-To-Use Grub Killer Monterey Once a Year Insect Control II Ortho Bug B Gon Year-Long Tree & Shrub Insect Control Ortho MAX Tree & Shrub Insect Bayer Advanced All-in-One Rose & Flower Care granules Green Light Grub Control with Arena Amdro Quick Kill Lawn & Landscape Insect Killer Amdro Rose & Flower Care Maxide Dual Action Insect Killer Ortho Bug B Gon Garden Insect Killer Ortho Bug B Gon for Lawns Ortho Flower, Fruit and Vegetable Insect Killer Green Light Tree & Shrub Insect Control with Safari 2 G Safari Ortho Tree & Shrub Insect Control Plus Miracle Gro Plant Food Ortho Rose and Flower Insect Killer Ortho Rose Pride Insect Killer Note: The Ortho Tree & Shrub Control Plus, has Miracle-Gro Plant Food added to it. Miracle Grow does not contain neonicotinoids or derivatives. |
Name: Mac Still here (Zone 6a) Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b McCannon Apr 9, 2018 9:42 AM CST |
Very extensive list Frank. Thanks for posting that  .I make it a point to learn something new everyday. I just wish I could remember what it was. The aboriginal people throughout the world and many cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them! "Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Name: Asa Wasatch Front - Utah     evermorelawnless Apr 9, 2018 10:01 AM CST |
| I think the point was that there's a difference between saying: "I'm making this decision, here's why, and I encourage you to do likewise..." --and-- "You should or must or cannot do this or that..." One is laden with humanity and persuasion...while the other is coercive and controlling. We'll all do what we do and choose what we choose. The better tack to take might be to persuade others to make better choices...rather than demand that they do - or do what we tell them to do. This is fun: The thread "Asa's former lawn...or (better) Dirt's current gardens" in Garden Photos forum My bee site - I post a new, different bee photo every day: http://bees.photo |
Name: Vickie Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b) blue23rose Apr 9, 2018 11:08 AM CST |
| That is a long list, Frank! Vickie May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown |
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