Plant ID forum: What is this tree?

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Tucumcari, New Mexico, USA
wordbuilder
Apr 7, 2018 6:30 PM CST
I'm in New Mexico and this tree is growing in front of my church. The state historic preservation division has recommended we remove it. We will likely do so but want to plant the same type of tree at a different location on the property. So, I have some questions:

1. What is this tree? It starts each spring with these flowers before putting on leaves.

2. Is it feasible to grow a new tree from this existing tree? If so, how would I go about it?

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DaisyI
Apr 7, 2018 6:40 PM CST
Can you back up and add a couple more photos showing more tree?

It could be a Redbud but its hard to say. Do they grow in New Mexico?
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plantladylin
Apr 7, 2018 6:49 PM CST
Sure looks like blooms of Redbud; possibly Western Redbud (Cercis occidentalis)

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crawgarden
Apr 7, 2018 6:56 PM CST
Just curious, but why would the state historic preservation division have anything to do with it? Just asking, thanks.
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DaisyI
Apr 7, 2018 8:03 PM CST
I'm curious about that too. The flowers do look like Western Redbud, which, in my mind, makes it a pretty special tree in New Mexico.
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 8, 2018 6:45 AM CST
crawgarden said:Just curious, but why would the state historic preservation division have anything to do with it? Just asking, thanks.


I think it might be because it's non native to NM. At least I can not find anything saying it IS native to NM. However, if that's the reason the state historic preservation society wants it gone, then why would they be ok with another being planted elsewhere on the same property?
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 8, 2018 6:57 AM CST
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Depending on the size of the tree, you might be able to re-locate it. Can you take a photo of the whole tree and tell us how large it is? It would have been best to relocate it when it was in it's dormancy during winter. If this is not something that needs doing right away, then waiting till next fall/winter would be the best time to try to relocate it.
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greene
Apr 8, 2018 8:59 AM CST
I found something. Other than what one would expect a historical society to do they are also concerned about tree overgrowth and the health hazard of bird droppings.
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DaisyI
Apr 8, 2018 2:17 PM CST
Western Redbuds are more large shrubs than trees - nothing like the Eastern version. I guess we better see some photos before we get too far on this ID.
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plantladylin
Apr 8, 2018 2:31 PM CST
Most sites state that Cercis occidentalis grows 15 to 20 or 25 feet in height but this webpage states that there is a tree in Santa Rosa, Ca that measures 45 feet high with crown spread of 38 feet! https://selectree.calpoly.edu/...
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greene
Apr 8, 2018 2:50 PM CST
While we wait for the OP to come back with more photos and information I will toss out my only idea. When I first saw the photo I thought it was a Kwanzan cherry tree. It does grow in MN and it is mentioned in various links as blooming in April in the location in question. That's all I have for now.
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DaisyI
Apr 8, 2018 3:49 PM CST
I wonder if the one in Santa Rosa is mis-identified. They just don't get that big - even down below in the text of that article, it says 10 - 20 ft. The usual way to tell which is which is that the Western Redbud has lighter pink flowers and is multi-trunked and less than 20 or so ft tall. If the Santa Rosa tree truly is a Western Redbud, its exceptional.
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Apr 8, 2018 10:28 PM CST

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There is a map showing two locations for Santa Rosa, I work close to one of them, will see if I can locate it, out of curiosity. nodding There are two closer to where I live, I wonder how accurate those locations are.
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Tucumcari, New Mexico, USA
wordbuilder
Apr 20, 2018 9:06 PM CST
I apologize for taking so long to reply. Thank you all for the help. I've attached 3 additional pictures. Based on an old photo, I think the tree was planted in the mid-1970s but, at some point, someone cut it down and it grew back with 3 trunks, instead of 1. We are working to have the building listed on the state and national historic registers, and the SHPO is concerned that the tree's proximity to the building may cause damage (roots lifting the foundation and canopy trapping moisture against the stucco).

In spring, the flowers soon give way to green leaves. The tree does not bear fruit. If I missed any questions already asked, please let me know.

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Apr 20, 2018 9:19 PM CST
If the tree is 50 years old and hasn't damaged the foundation or gotten any bigger than that, I don't think you have a problem. My concern would be that the flowers seem to be only in the lower half of the canopy. Wait to see how much is branching out. It may be that your problem of what to do with the tree is already solved. Crying
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Tucumcari, New Mexico, USA
wordbuilder
Apr 23, 2018 8:55 AM CST
DaisyI, I think you're right that the roots aren't going to damage the foundation. However, the jury is still out on the canopy trapping moisture against the building. The church was just stuccoed (before that it had Masonite-style siding and before that stucco which was severely damaged). Either way, aesthetically, the current placement of the tree is less than ideal. A tree like that would look much better in the middle of a grassy portion instead of stuffed into a corner. Also, as you noticed, there does seem to be quite a bit of dead in the current tree.

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