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Apr 14, 2018 2:10 PM CST
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Okay, time for discussion of a great smaller semp by the name of 'Black Mini'.

After reading Kevin's new book on sempervivum some of us have some questions about this semp.

@JungleShadows
Kevin, do you grow this semp? If so do you have a current photo of it?
The one I am growing is about 2" across a mature rosette, that will get slightly larger as the weather warms up. It has noticeable lashes on the edges of the leaves.
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Apr 14, 2018 4:07 PM CST
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
No photos here. I did grow it and my thought was not really black and not really mini like an arachnoideum or Erwin's Goldshatz! Don't know if I kept it or not.

It is dark and small has quite a few but narrow and pointed leaves. Erwin has used it in crosses and his Space Dog has given me a spate of really narrow leaved things that are quite cool but I think it may have been crossed with a grandiflorum to produce Space Dog.

I know that's not much help but it's the extent of what i know about the plant!

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Apr 14, 2018 4:55 PM CST
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Thank you Kevin.
I think we have the correct plant. It does go from that very dark coloring to olive green, then a bit brighter green in late summer. It is dark in the winter and part of spring.
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Apr 15, 2018 6:38 PM CST
Name: Julia
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Here is my Black Mini. I guess looks about right. I was looking for the tuffs on the ends.
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Apr 15, 2018 7:44 PM CST
Name: Karen
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That's a nice one, Julia. I see lots of little hairs around the edges of the leaves. Are those the tufts?
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Apr 15, 2018 10:46 PM CST
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Tufts are the collection of hairs at the tips of the leaves.
They can be more noticeable different times of the year.
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Apr 17, 2018 10:49 AM CST
Name: Bev
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I like that some people refer to some little hairs spaced along the edge of leaves as "lashes" Smiling
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Apr 17, 2018 10:50 AM CST
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That's exactly what they look like, Bev! Lovey dubby
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Apr 17, 2018 12:19 PM CST
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Sempervivum 'Aross' has eyelashes (cilia) and leaf tip tufts.
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May 8, 2018 9:22 AM CST
Name: Pictish1
Land of Picts, U.K (Zone 7a)
Here is my Black Mini - and no tufts! It starts the year quite a bit darker than this and tighter too. It was one of the first 'proper' Semps I got from Ferndown about 25 years ago - not garden center buys. Does really well over here 'in the old country' Smiling

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May 8, 2018 9:36 AM CST
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Hi Pictish1. Welcome to NGA, so glad you found your way here.
That is a lovely photo of 'Black Mini'.
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May 8, 2018 12:02 PM CST
Name: Bev
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Welcome! Pictish1, beautiful coloring on your Mini!
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May 8, 2018 1:19 PM CST
Name: Pictish1
Land of Picts, U.K (Zone 7a)
Thank you both Smiling

Black Mini is one of my best plants, nothing hurts it. Okay, it's not quite black and not really mini either, but it is neat and grows so well.
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May 8, 2018 4:45 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Hi Pict, is your semp smooth? It looks like it in the photo?
@Valleylynn, Pictish's Black Mini looks different from what I have, mine is fuzzy.
I got mine from SMG Thumbs up
Thanks Pictish I tip my hat to you.
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May 8, 2018 8:21 PM CST
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It looks like Pictish's photo show a very slight coating of velvet on the leaves.
Greg, look at your March photo and you can see that some of the leaves look shiny instead of velvety. I think it depends on the season and growing conditions.


I went out and looked at mine and see the same thing. If I look closely I can see that it does have a light velvet coating of the leaves.
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May 8, 2018 10:09 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Yes Lynn mine and yours both are velvety, and maybe that is the same with Pictish's Thumbs up
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May 9, 2018 10:33 AM CST
Name: Pictish1
Land of Picts, U.K (Zone 7a)
Okay, here's mine again, taken today. Bear in mind this plant has been under cover - it would be a bit flatter and tighter if outside.





And a closer shot - cilia, no tufts. Velvet? I wouldn't say so, but my plant and Greg's look the same to me allowing for timing and climate. Thumbs up

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May 9, 2018 6:09 PM CST
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I'll go out and take a photo of mine in a raised bed subjected to whatever mother nature throws at it. Full sun.
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May 12, 2018 12:18 PM CST
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I finally got a new photo of my 'Black Mini'. It's color is really changing fast, from a very dark semp nearly black semp to this. Please excuse the cotonwood fluff, it is everywhere right now.
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May 12, 2018 12:20 PM CST
Name: Karen
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Nice, Lynn! We have the cottonwood fluff here now, too. Sometimes it looks like it's snowing.
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