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 Screwdriver Apr 14, 2018 4:10 PM CST |
| This has been doing well/OK for a few years and then started to look crummy a month ago so I replanted it. But it is still going downhill. Any suggestions? Thanks!  |
Name: Daisy I Reno, Nv (Zone 6b) Not all who wander are lost    DaisyI Apr 15, 2018 6:06 PM CST |
Hi Screwdriver,  to the Cactus and Succulent forum. I saw your question yesterday and thought someone would be by to help you because I have no idea what kind of plant you have there. Obviously, neither does anyone else. Can you give us more information/clues to identity? Another name? Flowers? The only succulent I have heard referred to as Horsetooth is Haworthia truncata and I hope that's not what you have. Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada Webmaster: osnnv.org |
Georgia (Zone 8a)             Hamwild Apr 15, 2018 7:29 PM CST |
Daisy, I think that's what screwdriver has.  |
Name: Daisy I Reno, Nv (Zone 6b) Not all who wander are lost DaisyI Apr 15, 2018 8:55 PM CST |
| Oh.... Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada Webmaster: osnnv.org |
Name: Karen New Mexico (Zone 7b)            plantmanager Apr 15, 2018 8:58 PM CST |
| I haven't had this plant, Screwdriver. From looking at it, it probably has not had enough light and may have been over watered. I'm hoping some members more familiar with it will chime in. Have you grown this @stush? Handcrafted Coastal Inspired Art SeaMosaics! |
Name: Baja Baja California (Zone 11b)           |
| Radio intercept: @Stush2019 , we have a question for you. Haworthia truncata (which I have seen but not grown) may be somewhat variable, but typically the windows at the ends of the leaves are very close to ground level. Collectors like to pot it up so that the top dressing (little rocks on top of the soil) hides the base of the leaves near the soil and the windows are most of what you see from above. If the plant in the picture above is H. truncata then it has really long leaves and that is probably because of low light, maybe in combination with genetics. If you've had the plant for a few years, what did it look like before? Did it have more leaves? Were they shorter? Did it change a lot since you first got it? |
Name: Ken East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)   CaliFlowers Apr 16, 2018 4:30 PM CST |
| It's a Haworthia truncata which has been grown in a low-light situation for quite a while. I've had this happen when encroaching shrubs hide a plant tucked into an out-of-way corner. It can probably be saved, but at this point the plant is weakened, and has few reserves to draw upon, meaning that there is little room for error. I'd place it in a location with bright light, and, if possible, where it will receive a couple of hours of direct morning and/or evening sun. Provide careful, but adequate watering, and light feeding with a water-soluble, low-phosphorus fertilizer. A NPK profile such as 9-3-6 is about right for most plants. Keep in mind that it will want to rest in the summer, so adjust feeding & watering to allow this. Growth will resume when the weather cools in the fall. I wouldn't change its planted depth, with good light, the new growth coming from the center will be compact and normal. Re-establishing a "typical" set of leaves could take up to three years. |
Name: 'CareBear'      Stush2019 Apr 17, 2018 10:12 AM CST |
| I'll show H. truncata. That is not what that plant is. From what I can see, it's a Sanseveria with it's leaves cut down. Screw, need more info. If you had it for several years and it never did anything? Then this got me stumped. Here's my H. turncata adn a hybrid with longer leaves.   Here's another type with 'windows'. Clearly not this as well.  |
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp Opp, AL 🌵🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)         purpleinopp Apr 17, 2018 1:55 PM CST |
| Maybe we need a closer pic. 👀😁😂 - SMILE! -☺😎☻☮👌✌∞☯🐣🐦🐔🐝🍯🐾 The less I interfere, the more balance mother nature provides. 👒🎄👣🏡🍃🍂🌾🌿🍁❦❧ 🍃🍁🍂🌾🌻🌸🌼🌹🌽❀☀🌺 ☕👓 The only way to succeed is to try. |
Name: Ken East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a) CaliFlowers Apr 17, 2018 11:54 PM CST |
| Respectfully, the OP's plant is most certainly a form of Haworthia truncata, and while it may not be a pure example of the species, it is one which is frequently seen in the trade. Open the original poster's image to full size and pay careful attention to the concave leaf cross-section. Then notice the 'sugary' or bumpy texture to the sharply blunt, windowed leaf tips. These are definitely not Sansevieria leaves which have been amputated. Haworthia truncata comes in a variety of forms, and the leaf tips pictured are consistent with many common truncata. In this case, I think what's confusing the issue is the extreme etoliation of the leaves—to the point where the plant is practically unrecognizable. Haworthia hybridizers are highly prolific, and the market is awash with their unremarkable also-rans, resulting in countless hybrid seedlings of truncata mislabeled as true H. truncata. Below is an image of H. truncata obtained from Guy Wrinkle's Exotic Plants in the 90's. Being a selected form, it differs somewhat from the OP's plant, yet exhibits the same characteristics I mentioned at the outset. It has been grown outdoors year-round under bright high shade in a 'Haworthia-friendly' climate, sparingly fertilized, and does not exhibit any of the unnatural growth characteristics frequently seen in cultivated plants. I've collected Haworthia for over 30 years, and the OP's image depicts exactly what has happened to a couple of my own truncata when forgotten in low-light situations.  Below is an unnamed Haworthia truncata hybrid obtained from Renny's Haworthia (maughanii.com). As it matures, the window markings are becoming more prominent. It's considered to be a more desirable form than the plant posted above, yet retains the general leaf structure and fan-like growth habit of the species.  The database entry for Haworthia truncata here at garden.org is somewhat of a mess, but there are several proper examples of truncata on the Cactus Art website. I'd guess that the plant on lower-right of that page is closest to what @Screwdriver had, before stretching occurred. Another reference is the 'haworthia-gasteria.blogspot' site which presents an exhaustive catalog of species with images taken in habitat, and which also illustrates their variability. There are forms of truncata with relatively straight leaf cross-sections, and also those with leaves which are almost oval in cross-section. |
Name: 'CareBear' Stush2019 Apr 18, 2018 7:24 AM CST |
| After re-examine the photo (which is hard). I see the points that Ken makes. Knowing that Haworthia can and does hybrize with it's Aloe and Gasteria kin (all members of Aloaceae), that makes anything possible. Knowing that the leaves are grown like above is different than not knowing anything about a picture of a plant. Sans was my first guess but thinking it does show windows like Haworthia. Almost every hybrid I know shows signs of increased strength and vigor. Screw's plant is just existing. Extremely slow. Back to the main point of this. What to do. Don't know. If he had it for a few years now. He must be doing some thing right. Thank you Ken for helping me as well as Screw. |
Name: 'CareBear' Stush2019 Apr 18, 2018 7:34 AM CST |
| Sorry Ken, you did give good advise to help his plant. |
Name: Jai or Jack WV (Zone 6b) Om shanti om.         Jai_Ganesha Jun 17, 2018 10:44 AM CST |
| I'm coming to this post a few weeks late but I want to concur with Ken on every point. Also (and this is why I am replying even though it is late), I want to point out that with severely etoliated epidermal window succulents like this, one thing you can sometimes do is to put the whole plant into a tall pot and cover most of the too-long leaves with perlite. This serves three functions: 1) It keeps the leaves upright and prevents them from falling over; 2) It still allows a fair amount of air and light in, but allows the most and brightest light in directly through the epidermal windows, which is what the plant wants/expects. 3) Haworthia have contractile roots and will work to pull the plant down (they're likely already doing this, but fighting a losing battle due to lack of sunlight) I discovered this on my own, so I may not make any sense to normal people so I'm going to edit in a sketch of what I'm talking about. Edit:  I've done this same thing with other etoliated epidermal windowed plants like Fenestraria and Lithops and it DOES work, but it takes a long time (months/years) and it also requires sufficient light to reach their windows. Eventually the new growth is normal-sized even under the perlite because it is solid white and enough light reaches down. The perlite can also easily be poured off when you check on the plant as long as you find the right container. Keep going! |
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