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Name: Marilyn Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b) Garden today. Clean next week.              CDsSister Apr 14, 2018 6:26 PM CST |
| Does anyone know what Semp group might be considered an heirloom or early semp(before 1850s ? Maybe Kevin talks about that in his book. |
Name: Tim Stoehr Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)             tcstoehr Apr 14, 2018 6:33 PM CST |
 Interesting question but I don't know if it makes much sense or not. Heirloom vegetables are so-called because their seeds grew true to the parent and were kept in families from one generation to the next. Even smuggled into the US by immigrants who valued their genetics and predictable performance. I don't know if we have anything like this in semps. Maybe the original species plants? Since semps reproduce so easily from offsets rather than seeds the notion of "heirloom" might not apply.  |
Name: Marilyn Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b) Garden today. Clean next week. CDsSister Apr 14, 2018 6:44 PM CST |
| I was not sure how to phrase it and that seemed to carry the idea. Original species would be good to know too. Or just the ones known to be around before 1900????. |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)              |
| @JungleShadows Kevin can would you address Marilyn's question?  |
Name: Kevin Vaughn Salem OR (Zone 8a)  JungleShadows Apr 14, 2018 9:12 PM CST |
| No such designation as far as I know. In irises, they consider ant iris older than 30 years old as historic. So many of my cultivars from my youth are now historic. The species aren't heirloom, they're species. Kevin |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Thank you Kevin. That is a new wrinkle in my brain for today. |
Name: Marilyn Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b) Garden today. Clean next week. CDsSister Apr 15, 2018 11:16 AM CST |
| Thanks, Tim, Lynn and Kevin for the help on this. It would be good to know some of the names of the earliest known Semps. Sort of like a Once upon a time there was a little arachnoideum " which lived on the hillsides of Turkey", or where ever, and over time it grew and multiplied and became............  |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
Kind of like a bed time story, passing the history on to children.  |
Name: Greg Colucci Seattle WA (Zone 8b)        gg5 Apr 15, 2018 8:25 PM CST |
Marilyn, or...Once upon a time a shepherd's daughter named 'Heidi' went up into the alps and what did she find but some cute little plants  |
Name: Christie 43016 (Zone 6b) Plays in the water.     cwhitt Apr 16, 2018 7:55 AM CST |
tcstoehr said: My semps may have been smuggled into the US from Austria - as they have been in my family for 100 years - I expect they are considered heirloom. Plant Dreams. Pull Weeds. Grow A Happy Life. |
Name: Christie 43016 (Zone 6b) Plays in the water. cwhitt Apr 16, 2018 8:00 AM CST |
And I think we decided mine are Sempervivum tectorum?  Your are welcome to some of them @CDsSister if you are ever so inclined. They thrive here in Ohio, no idea how they would be in CO. Plant Dreams. Pull Weeds. Grow A Happy Life. |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Christie, you family heirloom is lovely. Wonder how they would do in Colorado? |
Name: Marilyn Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b) Garden today. Clean next week. CDsSister Apr 16, 2018 9:57 AM CST |
 Christie, thank you @cwhitt I think Lynn would have a better growing environment in Oregon. Anything seems to thrive out there.I need to get out and see how mine are doing. I just hate to disturb them until after Mother's Day as we can get freezes until about then. We have had so many ups and downs lately. One day high 70s and the next day or so wind, cold and snow. So for now I am just waiting to see if the ones I still have, survive where so many others have not. I still enjoy this forum about them even if I cannot grow them well myself. Perhaps I will think about it though as those are really lovely plants. I hope you will continue to pass them down in your family. My question was mostly curiosity. |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Marilyn, don't let them dry out. They do need some moisture. |
Name: Greg Colucci Seattle WA (Zone 8b) gg5 Apr 16, 2018 1:42 PM CST |
| Marilyn, I think Lynn mis-typed - she means to say "Don't let them dry out" even under the covers they need periodic water through the winter! |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Thank you Greg. I went back and corrected it. |
Name: Greg Chrislip Memphis, TN (Zone 7b)  GregC Apr 16, 2018 3:19 PM CST |
| I have the same variety as Christie, been lugging it around for 35 + years. Does well back East and here in the Midwest. Crazy Entomologist “The centipede was happy, quite, Until a toad in fun Said, 'Pray, which leg goes after which?; This worked his mind to such a pitch, He lay distracted in a ditch, Considering how to run.” |
Name: Christie 43016 (Zone 6b) Plays in the water. cwhitt Apr 17, 2018 6:31 AM CST |
@GregC - perhaps ours are related! Kissing cousins!   Plant Dreams. Pull Weeds. Grow A Happy Life. |
Name: Paul Rochester NY (Zone 6a) dulcimore11 Apr 18, 2018 11:42 AM CST |
| This is a very interesting question. I've often wondered, looking at my tectorums (they were growing by my side door when I bought my house), where they came from and how long they've been growing in this country. It's conceivable they could go all the way back to colonial days, isn't it - passed from one gardener to another? Anyway, I've given away enough of them over the years that the lineage should continue into the future after I'm gone. The book "Plant Jewels of the High Country" is dated 1972. The cultivars in there could be considered heirloom, I suppose. I'm not near the book at the moment but if you're interested I can list those when it's more convenient. I believe Jovibarba sobolifera has been a long time in cultivation as well. |
Name: Marilyn Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b) Garden today. Clean next week. CDsSister Apr 18, 2018 12:47 PM CST |
That would be great!  |
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