Roses forum: Identify this rose.

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Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 15, 2018 8:47 PM CST
Thumb of 2018-04-16/DaraGardener/91cc41 Does anyone know with this rose is? Called 'Angel's Breath' floribunda rose. Picture looks to be an old fashioned pink flower. No other data.

Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Apr 16, 2018 8:40 AM CST
it's very possible that it is the rose originally introduced as 'Angel Face'.

Rose (Rosa 'Angel Face')

It's hard for me to tell for a packaging photo. There are a lot of photos on the rose page linked above.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 16, 2018 9:55 AM CST
Hi Lynn. Thank you for your response. The picture shows an old fashioned style of flower. This is completely dissimilar to the modern shape of Angel Face. It's possible, but the two flowers don't look anything alike.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Apr 16, 2018 10:19 AM CST
Angel Face can have an old fashioned form. Look at the many photos on the AF rose page.

However, you are correct, it may not be AF. It could be any rose that has gone out of patent that has a new name ... Smiling

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Name: Frank Mosher
Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a)
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fwmosher
Apr 17, 2018 10:30 AM CST
Wow! That packaging including the rose picture look exactly like Paramount's "Precious Princess" that I had posted an inquiry on just the other day. The truth of the matter: Paramount (Mea) has never had a great reputation for growing out bagged roses. I actually called them in Texas yesterday, and they have no idea who the breeder of "Precious Princess" was. NOTE: When you see that white label stuck on top of the original label, you know there is something fishy??? Not to say, however, that you can't purchase some good Paramount roses. I do it every year! $9.95 at Home Depot, don't like it at the end of the season, throw it out. Cheers.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Apr 17, 2018 11:40 AM CST
What does it say under the white label?
Porkpal
Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 18, 2018 10:33 PM CST
Porkpal, it never occurred to me to check under the white label! Not at all easy to do as it was covered over with plastic. Anyway I finally was able to peel back the white label and lettered in reverse was 'Reine de Violettes'. OMG! Now THAT matches the picture. Sooooooo...maybe I have a 'Reine de Violettes' bud grafted onto likely Dr. Huey root stock. I've planted the thing mounding over the canes to encourage rooting from the actual rose as opposed to the root stock. Great suggestion on your part! Frank I saw that 'Precious Princess' rose too. Consider the peel back the white label suggestion that Porkpal offered.
Name: Frank Mosher
Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a)
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fwmosher
Apr 19, 2018 8:57 AM CST
DaraGardener: Welcome, and when I get a chance to get back in "town", I am going to purchase same, and check under the "new" label, as I have done many times before. Will let you know of the results. Cheers!
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
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porkpal
Apr 19, 2018 10:52 AM CST
I think you will enjoy Reine de Violettes; she is a good rose for me.
Porkpal
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Apr 19, 2018 11:00 AM CST
Altho' it is an older rose with a new name, it's great that you have a grafted 'Reine de Violettes'. One of the major problems with growing RdeV is that it is kind of picky about the type of soil it grows in. Most root stocks are fairly adaptable to different ph values, so that means the rose will do better in many more gardens.

I don't know what kind of soil you have in your garden, but if the ph is on the alkaline side of the scale, you may not want to encourage it to go own root. RdeV grows best when the soil ph moves towards the acidic side of the scale.

Just something to think about.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Frank Mosher
Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a)
Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Birds Roses Clematis Lilies Peonies
Region: Canadian Photo Contest Winner: 2017 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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fwmosher
Apr 19, 2018 12:42 PM CST
New Roses Arrived Today:

I am the proud recipient today of (4) HT. "Harry Wheatcroft" bare root roses, and (8) GF "Sunshine Daydream" ordered through a local nursery, because one can never get the "really good" roses down here in lower east ...... ! LOL. They go to Ontario, and out west! Paid $20. ea. bare root! That's a good deal for me! The last time I bought "Sunshine Daydream" in bloom in pots, here in Nova Scotia, (from Monrovia in the US), they were $40. ea. Just so enamoured by same, I bought all three they had. Great decision! This rose, here in foggy Nova Scotia, does not have to be sprayed for anything, except for aphids on the new shoots, completely free of anything else, and is winter-hardy! I'm talking like -17C with hard northerly winds, and usually lots of snow.
Photo attached, "Meilland" rose!!!

Thumb of 2018-04-19/fwmosher/fa496a

You probably know HT "Harry Wheatcroft", one of the great "stripers", (out of plant protection) modern name is "Caribia" but there is quite a story behind the orginal breeder. Quite a character! SLAP- Frank, "Don't throw stones at glass houses!" LOL.


My picture, my rose. Cheers!
Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 21, 2018 5:51 PM CST
Roseblush1 thanks for responding. Where I live on Vancouver Island, my soil is slightly acidic and on the poor side, nutrient wise. Dr. Huey root stock hates my soil, as do all the Knockout roses. So I am always better with an own root rose. Whether the mystery rose is in fact Reine de Violettes or not, we'll see! I've mounded the soil up over the bud graft to encourage root formation from the actual rose itself, rather than the rootstock. I grow Rainbow Knockout in a large pot permanently outside. There the rose does very well. Basically my dirt is reclaimed forest from a glacier moraine. Lots of cobbles. Extreme drainage. Sudden summer heat.

Porkpal glad to hear you do well with Reine de Violettes.

Frank I LOVE Sunshine Daydream rose! She is very disease free for me too. A great choice. The striped roses aren't so good out here. Blackspot does them in. Lovely pictures.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Apr 21, 2018 7:33 PM CST
@DaraGardener ...

I have poor soil, too ... Smiling

I live in the southern end of the Klamath mountains. We have the same kind of soil ... lots and lots of rock. However, I have hauled a lot of organic material that I have gleaned over the years and the structure of the soil has change.

When I started my garden, I couldn't dig a hole with a pick and there were no worms. I now have lots of worms and a whole lot less rock. It takes time, but adding lots of OM, sure helps ... Smiling

Good luck with your rose.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 25, 2018 4:10 AM CST
Roseblush, it is the same with me. Over the years I've added tons of organic matter to the soil which has made a tremendous difference.

Frank, I've gone and bought the rose you were talking about 'Precious Princess'. It is the other 'made up name' rose. Under the white label is 'Rose de Rescht', another very good old garden rose!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Apr 25, 2018 9:15 AM CST
Nanaimo ....

I have to admit, I sure am getting tired of hauling leaves back to the garden ... Hilarious!

You mentioned that Dr. Huey doesn't like your soil. The good Dr. probably does like your soil. That rose doesn't care much about ph, which is why it is used for root stock so much.

The trick in our soil is to grow the rose up so that it has a solid root mass in a container before putting it in the ground. Bare root, bagged a container rose, it doesn't matter. I prefer to grow them up until the roots are bursting out of the bottom of a 5 gal container, but will make do with 3 gal.

Just thought I'd pass that trick along. Do you have any for me ?
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Nanaimo
DaraGardener
Apr 25, 2018 11:23 PM CST
Roseblush I've got to say it again, Dr. Huey HATES my soil! I don't think it is a ph thing. There's just something with the soil I garden in that Dr. Huey refuses to set roots into. Doesn't matter how much root mass is in the pot at planting. I've bought and planted many three gallon plants. Give them a year or two and the root dwindles down to nothing. End of rose unless the canes have somehow managed to throw roots out from above the root stock. Case in point, a two gallon New Dawn on Dr. Huey. Died after two years. Was always scrawny. A one gallon own root New Dawn. Took beautifully and kept on going. Believe me when I say it is the root stock. Could be our very wet winters. But I have excellent drainage. I really don't know what the problem is, but nurseries in the know suggest not planting Dr. Huey here, on Vancouver Island. Anything but. So my tips would be maybe of little use for your growing conditions? I'd recommend own root roses. Planting bud grafted roses deep enough to cover the bud graft and encourage rooting above it. Always plant genetically strong, disease resistant varieties. Add lots of organic matter. I like to use peat moss. Canadian peat moss isn't endangered, and environmentally safe to use. I never spray my roses. Encourage a healthy ecosystem of flora and fauna. Ladybugs and Lacewings to do bug patrol. Guess that's it!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Apr 25, 2018 11:29 PM CST
Hi Nanaimo ...

We have similar soil, but out climates must be very different. We have wet winters, too.

I have found that own root roses can be grown in my garden, but at my age, I am planting grafted roses. I don't want to wait for the own root roses to catch up ... Hilarious!

I, too, have a no spray garden because my property is on a watershed slope.

Thanks for sharing your tips ... I tip my hat to you.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Frank Mosher
Nova Scotia, Canada (Zone 6a)
Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Birds Roses Clematis Lilies Peonies
Region: Canadian Photo Contest Winner: 2017 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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fwmosher
Apr 26, 2018 5:27 PM CST
DaraGardener, many thanks for the info on "Rose de Rescht" aka perhaps, "Precious Princess". Going to look it up now. Cheers!

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