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SuperDuper
Apr 17, 2018 10:13 AM CST
Hello! I am a senior and for my senior project I want to grow a folklore garden, basically it's a garden used specifically used for growing medicinal herbs.I plan on growing plants such as Lemon Balm, Ashwagandha, etc. If you have any suggestions for which plants to grow, how to take care of them, and also some "recipes" I could use them in, please let me know! Thank you for your time.
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 17, 2018 10:25 AM CST
It can be very offensive that you would put Tulsi in something called a witch garden. Don't do that, or call it something else, like a Holy Garden or even a Folklore Garden.
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Apr 17, 2018 10:46 AM CST
I am unoffended by the term witch garden whatsoever. Here's what I have growing in the 'magical' portion of my herb garden:

Fennel, garlic, absinthe, mugwort, betony, vervain, valerian, and (yes) cannabis. Most herbs are sturdy plants and just need water and sun. Fothergilla's common name is 'witch alder' and you could also search the database for other plants that use witch as part of their name. Another interesting plant is dictamnus, or gas plant. It is a beautiful plant that contains volatile oils that release in the early evening which you can actually light with a match. Belladonna is another beauty, but is quite toxic so be cautious. There are lots of plants that are mildly hallucinegetic, typically they contain 'lucida' in their botanical name, so another way to search. Have fun with your project!
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 17, 2018 10:53 AM CST
Bonehead said:I am unoffended by the term witch garden whatsoever. Here's what I have growing in the 'magical' portion of my herb garden:

Fennel, garlic, absinthe, mugwort, betony, vervain, valerian, and (yes) cannabis. Most herbs are sturdy plants and just need water and sun. Fothergilla's common name is 'witch alder' and you could also search the database for other plants that use witch as part of their name. Another interesting plant is dictamnus, or gas plant. It is a beautiful plant that contains volatile oils that release in the early evening which you can actually light with a match. Belladonna is another beauty, but is quite toxic so be cautious. There are lots of plants that are mildly hallucinegetic, typically they contain 'lucida' in their botanical name, so another way to search. Have fun with your project!


It's not that it's a "witch garden" necessarily. It's growing Tulsi in it, and how you equivocate the plants. Tulsi is God. It would be like displaying the consecrated Eucharist on a normal dining table as people walk by and fill their plates. Is the bread technically food? Yes. But it's just begging for problems.
Keep going!
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Apr 17, 2018 11:01 AM CST
In your opinion. My suggestion is if you are offended by this thread, simply unwatch it. Easy peasy. I applaud SuperDuper's efforts to learn more about medicinal and/or magical attributes of plants.
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 17, 2018 11:02 AM CST
No. You've read too much into it. I'm not offended. You can grow Tulsi, smoke her, or mop the floor with her. I don't mind. I'm giving advice about what may happen if you include it as one plant among many in a "witch's garden." That's what the OP originally asked for (but it's now edited). Sticking tongue out
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SuperDuper
Apr 17, 2018 11:04 AM CST
Please no arguing! All I want is to expand my knowledge on these types of plants. There is no need to argue about something that everyone will have separate opinions on.
Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 17, 2018 11:04 AM CST
@SuperDuper, include this discussion and @Bonehead's misunderstanding as part of your final report. It will be really interesting as it relates to conceptions and growing of the plants, and I bet not many other people will have an anecdote like that!
Keep going!
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Apr 17, 2018 11:40 AM CST
No worries, apparently I've just 'misunderstood' something or the other (not exactly sure what). Back to your original question, here are some of the reasons I include the plants in my magical section:

Fennel: protects against snake bite
Mugwort: placed under your pillow induces wild dreams
Garlic: we all know this protects against vampires!
Valerian: a relaxant
Absinthe: has an interesting history, I would encourage you to research this a bit
Betony: protects against evil spirits

My herb garden has several sections, and it is often difficult for me to decide which section is most appropriate. Most herbs have magical folklore stories (some pretty far fetched), just as often they have actual medicinal qualities that have real science behind them, or can be used in cooking for flavor, or will repel insects. Again, fun project, enjoy your learning!

Here's my magical section in early spring:
Thumb of 2018-04-17/Bonehead/3d1849

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SuperDuper
Apr 17, 2018 11:43 AM CST
@BoneHead Thank you so much for helping me!!! Hurray!
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Pueblo West Co. ( High Dessert (Zone 6a)
josebaca
Apr 17, 2018 12:11 PM CST
Hey SuperDuper, hello & Welcome! from southern Co.
My two most favorite are Black Sage and Yarrow. As for the recipes, I don't think it would be a good idea for anyone to post merely from a liability angle, but I'm sure you could find some on other websites.

On the other subject bought up, last year I went to a landscape symposium and one of the presenters was from Japan and he discussed oriental design. During the Q&A a lady asked if statues were necessary for a Zen garden, his answer was confusing at first, mainly because of his inflection but he finally got his point across by saying, and I quote with all due respect, " No one ever prants a Cathoric garden!"....it was then that I realized how insensitive we could all be at times, without even meaning to be, different cultures, different views Shrug! Vive La differerence . My 2 cents anyway.
Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Apr 17, 2018 1:01 PM CST
It's more ignorance than insensitivity. We literally don't know what we don't know.
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stone
Apr 17, 2018 3:59 PM CST
Hmmm....

What about datura, castor bean, hen bane, may apple, dog tooth violet....

Rosemary... witch hazel...

Camphor weed, comfrey, and what about several kinds of mint?

I wouldn't use any of the first line of plants in "recipes" but they might be interesting in 'spells'.
Remember "a yaqui way of knowledge"?

Don Juan made a paste from the datura.... put it on his forehead... or put it on a horned toad or some other lizard?
Long time since reading those...

Personally, I've often talked about planting a garden of those plants that we read about in those fantasy stories...
while the uses the herbs are put to often sound as specious as what Don Juan wrote, the names of the herbs are cool.

Most people call it a "fairy" garden.
Put up little houses and trails and such...
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tofitropic
Apr 17, 2018 7:14 PM CST
Perhaps my suggestion would'nt easily work due to our different climate, (you can always grow in container for winter), but please and please grow some emergency magical plant, in my tropical garden, it will include
"enuresis remedy" such as cat whisker (Orthosiphon aristatus) or andrographis paniculata, (I have kidney stone problem, and crystals easily formed in my urinary tract due to metabolic disease, but this plant helps my so many times, it also helps lots of my neighbour)
"epistaxis remedy"
"insect bite, burn, and inflamation related" aloe vera, etc

Magical plant better for emergency only, and always be careful some people could allergic to it.

and don't forget magical creature such as Synsepalum dulcificum, Gymnema sylvestre, those kind of plants brings magic and fun to my garden visitor. (also prepare lemon and sugar)
Name: stone
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stone
Apr 18, 2018 7:05 AM CST
@tofitropic I'm surprise that you didn't mention phylanthes and bidens for your kidneys.
Phylanthes is a very aggressive plant around here, but referred to as "break stone" in the literature....

Might need to break up the garden into magic and physic areas....

The book referred to in my previous post was by Carlos Casteneda, Don Juan was the name of his guru... Like I said, long time ago that I read the series... Like 30+ years...
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Name: Tofi
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tofitropic
Apr 18, 2018 7:32 PM CST
@stone thanks for the post,
guess, it is my local folks knowledge that influence much on my herbs I used, they did not use phyllanthus for this purpose, but for other uses.
Checking on your post on Phyllanthus, I check the composition of a capsule got from hospital, beside other pure/semi synthetic drugs given, and guess what; indeed phylllanthus (said phyllanthus niruri) is one of component. Thumbs up
They are a weed here too, I will learn on their usage and safety, thanks.
What kind of bidens used for urinary problems? there are some bidens here too
Name: stone
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stone
Apr 19, 2018 2:19 PM CST
tofitropic said:
What kind of bidens used for urinary problems?


https://www.google.com/search?...

Apparently B. pilosa is the main plant used, but many other species (of bidens) are also effective.

Name: Dux
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duxallinarow
Apr 21, 2018 6:06 AM CST
How could I be the first person to suggest broom corn? Always a part of my own Witch's Garden!
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shirley7170
Apr 23, 2018 5:41 AM CST
Where can I find cat wisker

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