Plant ID forum: Narcissus variety unknown

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Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 20, 2018 11:50 AM CST
Is anyone able to identify this narcissus, please.
It flowers early -late April, sometimes into May and is about 14" tall.
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SunnyBorders
Apr 20, 2018 12:13 PM CST
'Thalia Sun'?

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Silversurfer
Apr 21, 2018 2:49 AM CST
Narcissus Thalia Sun is a multiheaded Triandrus daffodil..with 4 heads per stem... ....with trumpets longer than those of Yorkshirelass.

https://daffseek.org/detail-pa...

Daffs are extremely hard to id accurately as there are around 27,000 sp and cultivars in the world.
Rather similar to trying to id roses! ie. HARD to be accurate!
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Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 21, 2018 8:36 AM CST
Thank you for your replies. I agree with Silversurfer, mine isn't of the Triandus division. I think it is more likely to be a variety of Poeticus.

I collect narcissus, all named, bar this one which I inherited when I moved to my present house and garden.

I am 'clutching at straws' in the hope someone may have the exact same variety, out of the 27,000 species and cultivars.
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Silversurfer
Apr 21, 2018 11:30 AM CST
I cannot be sure but I would put it in Division 3 small cupped Narcissus.

Division 3
Small-cupped Daffodil Cultivars

One flower to a stem; corona (cup) not more

Than one –third the length of the perianth

Segments (petals)

http://thedaffodilsociety.com/...

Could Narcissus Mrs Langtry fit???? Old pre 1830's

https://www.kevockgarden.co.uk...
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victorialuz
Apr 21, 2018 1:43 PM CST
looks just like mine...What about a Narcissus Tazetta subsp. Italicus?
Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 22, 2018 9:52 AM CST
Thank you again for your replies. I don't think my narcissus is a tazetta, which are quite tender in this part of the Country and it isn't multi-headed.

I agree it is probably Div, 3, not Poeticus as I first thought.The variety , Mrs Langtry, suggested by Silversurfer, is very similar, but the cup looks too dark, mine has a very delicate lemon cup.

I think it could be an old variety though.

I'll keep looking and hoping.
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victorialuz
Apr 22, 2018 10:26 AM CST
White Lady?

(can't post links yet)


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Yorkshirelass
Apr 22, 2018 10:48 AM CST
Your photo shows a very similar flower to mine. Is it definitely N.White Lady as the link I have found shows the petals as being fused not separate.
https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/...
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Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 24, 2018 12:01 PM CST
I may have solved my own question regarding my unknown Narcissus, it could be N. Saint Olaf
http://suffolkplants.org.uk/sa....

Confirmation would still be appreciated.
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Silversurfer
Apr 24, 2018 12:46 PM CST
Not convinced.
It talks about soft Apricot in trumpet.
Quote link below....
"'Saint Olaf'
3W-W(c)
[Leedsii 4b]
(Engleheart, G.H., pre-1913)

Outer milk-white perianth segments broad and rounded; inner becoming particularly clawed at base. Corona creamy lemon on opening, often passing to an unusual shade of soft apricot buffy cream, remaining darker along overlapping ruffles and pleats. Lightly but sweetly scented."



https://croft16daffodils.co.uk...

https://daffseek.org/detail-pa...
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 25, 2018 12:00 PM CST
Thank you for the info, Silversurfer. The descriptions on the sites you mention do differ slightly.
My quest will continue.

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jmorth
Apr 25, 2018 5:23 PM CST
Queen of the North perhaps?

http://oldhousegardens.com/dis...
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jmorth
Apr 25, 2018 5:41 PM CST
Twin Sisters - N. x medioluteus
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Silversurfer
Apr 26, 2018 2:34 AM CST
It is a real problem to accurately id daffodils!

https://daffseek.org/detail-pa...


https://daffseek.org/detail-pa...
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jmorth
Apr 26, 2018 3:05 AM CST
To muddy the water some more...
Regarding the White Lady proposition 'Another popular Engelhart white was White Lady (small cupped pre 1879). although the Donalds point out that it appears to be a strain rather than a clone, as it shows so much variation.' from 'Daffodil' by Noel Kingsbury (2013). If so, the pics thereof shouldn't be held as absolute.
(I think the Donalds referred to above run the Croft 16 project, acknowledged experts on English historical daffodils).
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Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 26, 2018 12:00 PM CST
Thank you for your suggestions, but the perianth on my narcissus look more 'open' than those shown on the links given.
I really appreciate all the references everyone has sent, and the research time taken.
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jmorth
Apr 28, 2018 11:27 PM CST
Check this daff out -
Small-Cupped Daffodil (Narcissus 'Seagull')
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Name: Trish
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Yorkshirelass
Apr 29, 2018 10:38 AM CST
Thank you, the perianth is like mine, but the rim of the cup is too dark.
Looking back to the photo Victorialuz sent and re-reading your earlier comments, White Lady is the nearest so far - if the photo can be correctly identified as being that Narcissus.
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