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Name: Mark McDonough Massachusetts (Zone 5a)            AntMan01 Apr 30, 2018 4:02 PM CST |
| Time for semp planter renovations in advance of planning for my new "Sempervivumry" (dedicated semp garden landscape area). The first one was easy, just a face lift, de-mossing, fresh mulch, couple minor semp relocations/adjustments. Semp bowl planter No.1, moss was swallowing up heuff. 'Torrid Zone' and rosette size was shrinking. Flowering rosettes of 'Torrid Zone' left gaps. Note: semps in this planter (ciliosum, 'Nouveau Pastel', and 'Torrid Zone') are just starting to wake up from our seemingly endless winter-in-spring. Before and after photos:   Semp bowl planter #2 was a renovation, I started in the afternoon and ran out of daylight, waited through two days of rain, finished today although it was dang cold out there. LEFT: the "before" view, once again moss is swallowing up semps and in particular heuff 'Gold Bug'. Rock work had settled and shrunk down in the bowl, rocks getting mossy, no stone mulch left, one cobby died a few years back (Yukon Snow) and Pacific Devils Food badly damaged by voles so potted them up for TLC in pots. RIGHT: reconstruction in progress; alter rock work, remove lots of soil (I had used a surprisingly heavy soil, what was I thinking?), large patch of 'More Honey' mostly left in place, all other plants removed and cleaned up, fresh very lean soil to be used, runaway 'More Honey' rosettes move back into main patch area.   Ran out of daylight, I lifted the block of moss-engulfed 'Gold Bug', decided it could wait for another day, sat their in the rain for next two days.  Cleaning and dividing 'Gold Bug': LEFT: cleaned and de-mossed the rosettes. Have approximately 20. Last year (2017) about 6-7 rosettes flowered, from what I'm seeing for each rosette that flowers and dies, it leaves behind two offsets. RIGHT: pairs of small rosettes left behind after flowering rosettes die, can be divided.   LEFT: a couple rosettes were in early process of dividing into 3, decided it is too early to divide, these were potted up for dividing in the future. RIGHT: side view of same rosette, showing it would be risky to divide.   LEFT: had a handful of damaged rosettes (voles in winter) that are resurrecting themselves. RIGHT: had three pairs of small rosettes left behind after flowering, divided up 2 of 3 where each division had a major tap root, did not divide the one with only 1 tap root for the pair. I consulted Kevin's book about dividing heuffs, I did use rooting powder.   Renovation Results: LEFT: moved planter to a new (temporary) spot in full sun, was in part shade before. Planter was half sunken into an earth berm, it will be sitting up on a base of some sort, to showcase the hanging rosettes of 'More Honey', love that feature. Really liking the "pea pebble" stone mulch. RIGHT: similar view but at a higher angle.   LEFT: added Semp. 'Silver Moon' (one of my recent arrivals) RIGHT: another view further back, 'Gold Bug' above & a peek of dark red 'Brock' on left   LEFT: Overhead view of completed planter, 'More Honey' on left, pittonii bottom center, 'Brock' bottom right, 'Silver Moon; upper right, 'Gold Bug' top center. RIGHT: closer view of 'More Honey' and its cascading habit   LEFT: an oblique view of completed planter RIGHT: an oblique view featuring 'Gold Bug'   Avatar: Jovibarba x nixonii 'Jowan' I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-) |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)              |
| Very nice Mark. Love the way 'More Honey' drapes over the edge. What a difference from before and after. |
Name: Connie Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)       pardalinum May 1, 2018 9:23 AM CST |
| It just goes to show those long stolons are good for something. I picked up three long stoloned cultivars at PO. Plans are in process. |
Name: Karen New Mexico (Zone 7b)            plantmanager May 1, 2018 9:29 AM CST |
| Love your work, Mark! I do love the hanging semps. Handcrafted Coastal Inspired Art SeaMosaics! |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
Connie, you are making me rethink the long stolon thing. I have a small planter that might do with a bit of long stolons.  |
Name: Tim Stoehr Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)          tcstoehr May 1, 2018 11:44 AM CST |
| While we're on the topic of renovation and moss removal, does anyone have any great ideas about in-place destruction of Irish Moss? I tried an iron based, liquid moss killer that is meant for lawns. (Lilly Miller Moss Out) I mixed up a small batch into a hand held spray bottle. It did nothing at all. I then tried a 50% vinegar solution in a spray bottle which is somewhat effective. The problem is you've got to cover every little bit of the moss or the remaining green portions continue to grow... like this picture below. I want to avoid spraying any of it on my succulent plants cuz it would kill those leaves too.  I'm about ready to try painting a RoundUp solution on it, which would be useful in some other situations I can think of. I wonder if a partial painting of RoundUp would travel through the moss plant and kill the edges too? |
Name: Karen New Mexico (Zone 7b) plantmanager May 1, 2018 12:04 PM CST |
| This is funny to me, Tim. I'd kill to have green moss like yours! I've even gone out into the forest in years past and brought some home for my terrariums. It would never live outside in our dry, dry climate. It's humid here when the humidity is 18! I'm trying to appreciate the dryness, but my preference would be for some good humidity and moss! Handcrafted Coastal Inspired Art SeaMosaics! |
Name: Tim Stoehr Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b) tcstoehr May 1, 2018 12:33 PM CST |
| Karen, I do have some areas that are plush with moss and I want it that way. All you have to do here is expose the soil and keep out the weeds. A carpet of moss will soon appear, like it or not. |
Name: Karen New Mexico (Zone 7b) plantmanager May 1, 2018 12:54 PM CST |
| That sounds great, although my sister used to live in a place like that in WA. She also had moss on her house and all the walkways, so she spent a lot of time power washing. Is it that bad there? Handcrafted Coastal Inspired Art SeaMosaics! |
Name: Tim Stoehr Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b) tcstoehr May 1, 2018 1:48 PM CST |
plantmanager said:That sounds great, although my sister used to live in a place like that in WA. She also had moss on her house and all the walkways, so she spent a lot of time power washing. Is it that bad there?  Indeed. Moss killer is required on the roof. The pebbled walkway out front also gets covered but I"m too lazy to take care of that. Then there's mildew which would cover the house if you don't specifically put mildewcide in the paint. Still, the garage door and roof gutters get blackened by the stuff. Oh yeah... there's also algae that will grow on shady surfaces that get occasionally moist. Good grief.  |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Soon the hot dry season will arrive Tim and the moss will melt away. Meanwhile don't apply the moss killer until there will be no rain for a day or two. Once the moss has died bread up the surface of the soil with a fork or something like that, just the surface. Moss doesn't like disturbed soil. |
Name: Patty Washington State (Zone 8b)  Patty May 3, 2018 3:16 PM CST |
I'm with you Tim! That Irish miss is different, a weed and hard to control!  I usually do round up and pull by hand around plants. I've also thought about doing a brush application so let me know how it went if you do it. Patty 🌺 |
Name: Mark McDonough Massachusetts (Zone 5a) AntMan01 May 12, 2018 2:06 PM CST |
| Light rain today, don't you all think semps are lovely in the rain, rain droplets pick up and amplify the colors. 'More Honey' starting to chick, let the new cascading stolons begin. Several views. I have to say, this is a semp that drastically changes appearance through the season, beautiful when the rosettes fully open up, as they are now.  I wonder how far the stolons can cascade. I may end up propping up this large dish planter with a concrete block base, or something more aesthetic, to give it more height for cascading.   Avatar: Jovibarba x nixonii 'Jowan' I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-) |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| That really is a nice effect. I might have to think about how I might do that in one of my raised beds. |
Name: Mark McDonough Massachusetts (Zone 5a) AntMan01 Jun 4, 2018 9:34 PM CST |
| Soon I will go to Home Depot and get some concrete blocks, need to raise this planter to see just how far Semp 'More Honey' rosettes are willing and able to cascade. May 24, 2018  June 3, 2018 (notice some flowering rosettes going vertical)  Avatar: Jovibarba x nixonii 'Jowan' I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-) |
Name: Lynn Dallas, OR (Zone 8b) |
| Wow, that is impressive Mark. |
Name: Connie Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a) pardalinum Jun 4, 2018 11:13 PM CST |
Excellent hangage!  |
Name: Mark McDonough Massachusetts (Zone 5a) AntMan01 Jun 12, 2018 7:58 PM CST |
Just an update, to use Connie's term, the "hangage" has increased, didn't want the chicks rooting when they're touching ground, so raised the planter with a concrete block. View of 'More Honey' flowering stem, with an odd looking chick on the right from that flower stem, flowering 'Brock' in the background.  Avatar: Jovibarba x nixonii 'Jowan' I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-) |
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