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Name: Ângelo B. P.
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BlueOddish
May 10, 2018 11:15 PM CST

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I have recently purchased a few dozen different Sempervivum cultivars and in doing so have discovered a good deal were wrongly labeled. If anyone is an expert on these adorable plants and can identify any of them, please help!

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1.) Labeled as 'Averil'

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2.) Labeled as 'Saturn'

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3.) Labeled as 'Jubilee'

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4.) Labeled as 'Pluto'

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5.) Labeled as 'Red Beauty'

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6.) Labeled as 'Twilight Blues'

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7.) Labeled as 'Brownii'

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8.) Labeled as 'Pruhonice'

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9.) Labeled as 'Spumanti'

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10.) Labeled as 'Sunset'

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11.) Labeled as 'Desert Bloom'

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12.) Labeled as 'Royal Ruby'

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13.) Labeled as 'Director Jacobs'

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14.) Labeled as 'Silverine'

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15.) Labeled as 'Ruby Heart'

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16.) Labeled as 'Emerald Queen'

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17.) Labeled as 'Red Heart'

Please help! Crying

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 11, 2018 12:44 AM CST

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Hi Angelo, so nice to meet you.
I can be difficult to tell about newly arrived semps that have been shipped in a close up box. Plant them into their permanent home and let them adjust.Give them a few weeks take new photos and post them in this thread.
We can tell if they look correct for the names they arrived with, but can not identify them for you if they are incorrect.
I can tell you that your 'Jubilee' is not correct because the correct semp for that name is an arachnoidium type semp.
I hope this was helpful?
Name: Ângelo B. P.
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BlueOddish
May 11, 2018 1:15 AM CST

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Thank You!
They have all been planted within the last two weeks so I guess I'll wait a bit until early June before it really gets hot outside.
There is one exception though, and that is the 'Emerald Queen' which has been in the ground for about two years now. The challenge with that one is that I'm worried that the (relatively) high elevation sun here in the Salt Lake Valley has a tendency to kind of mess with the colors on plants and that may be the reason that this particular plant always looks kind of sunburnt. Smiling Then compound our high desert climate and the brutal heat and you get plants not looking like they would in most other places.

When I first got the plant it was green, then it turned slightly red after a couple weeks. After a few months it became kind of a magenta color before eventually turning a maroon color. It has stayed that same maroon for over a year and a half without really changing at all, even between different seasons. Hilarious!

I guess I'll just have to start calling it my sunburnt sempervivum from now on. Hilarious!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 11, 2018 8:30 AM CST

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Do you mind if I ask where you got your semps from?
There is no semp with the name of 'Emerald Queen', but there is one with the name of 'Emerald Empress'. Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Emerald Empress')

In your conditions it is helpful if they are in bright shade/filtered sun. Under a deciduous type of tree. That way they would have more sun in the winter and bright light in the summer heat.
I love the way you have them nestled against rocks, and nice rock mulch.
Name: Bev
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webesemps
May 11, 2018 9:19 AM CST
Welcome! Angelo!
Name: Ângelo B. P.
South Jordan, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
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BlueOddish
May 11, 2018 12:14 PM CST

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You're right. It was sold as 'Emerald Empress'. I got it at Lowe's.
Here's the tag.
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Name: Ângelo B. P.
South Jordan, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
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BlueOddish
May 11, 2018 12:27 PM CST

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Speaking of where I have them, they do get shade from a large (for Utah anyway) Beech and Canada Red Chokecherry until about midday. I think the rocks just cook them more than they would if they only had sun. Hilarious!
Speaking of rocks, here in Utah they are so plentiful that they are usually considered a nuisance. Digging even small holes can be a pain and to dig them you need more than just a shovel, you also need a thin tool to dislodge the rocks.
I've even had to throw away rocks before because there were so many. Hilarious!
It's not uncommon for over half of what you remove to make a hole to be rocks.
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Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 11, 2018 12:38 PM CST
It's pretty much the same here in NM when we try to dig holes. We have so many rocks, and many of them are impossible to move. I'm having to do a lot of raised beds and containers.
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valleylynn
May 11, 2018 2:12 PM CST

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Sighing! We don't have that problem, we have heavy clay which goes down quite a ways.
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 11, 2018 6:22 PM CST
We have the heavy clay at our AZ place. It's sticky when wet, and just a mess. I've never tried to improve it. Instead I just went with raised beds and containers.
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Name: Ângelo B. P.
South Jordan, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
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BlueOddish
May 11, 2018 6:25 PM CST

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The harsh sun isn't always all bad though. Some cultivars can have their colors intensified, like with my 'Hookeri'.
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This picture is from late April and the plant is even redder now.

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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 11, 2018 6:57 PM CST
Hi Angelo Welcome! Your pics look good! Your picture of Averil could be correct, if it was from a nursery growing under cover and not letting it get very cold - it is green in warmer weather! Also your Emerald Empress is probably as correct as any of us have Whistling
I'm guessing that most of the semps that large stores sell are seed grown and therefore won't be true to the actual plant. Mine looks like yours in winter and spring, so I'm guessing that stress makes Emerald Empress turn magenta, and the stress of heat and dry is keeping it from turning back to green...In my opinion the magenta looks nicer than the green, it isn't a lovely Emerald green it is a muddy green.
Red Beauty and Brownii look correct as well, but I agree with Lynn, plant them and then take pics Thumbs up I tip my hat to you.

Name: Ângelo B. P.
South Jordan, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
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BlueOddish
May 11, 2018 7:52 PM CST

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Thank You! so much for all of your help everyone!
I'll make sure to take pictures in a couple weeks.

BTW, here's a picture of a baby that came from the big Emerald Empress that is almost totally covered by Penstemon palmeri.

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