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May 13, 2018 2:34 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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I just moved to Vero Beach, FL and there are four trees lining some of my driveway. They average approximately 30' tall and 20' wide and these trees are thorny, with thorns about at every leaf axial. I think the trees are evergreen, since they have been fully leafed since Feb. The trees have an abundance of flowers/fruit (or something else), but these "flowers" are hard to the touch, sort of the feel of seeds, and will rub off the stems readily. There is no fragrance of these "flowers" or of the leaves when rubbed. The thorns average 1/2 - 3/4" long and are present on even young branches. The thorns remind me of of those seen on locust trees found in the woods of Mississippi, but the leaves of locust are more like the mimosa (at least the locusts I have encountered). The leaves of these trees are more oval and nothing like that found on a locust.

I have never seen a tree like this and would like to have them identified.

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I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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May 15, 2018 8:35 PM CST
Name: June
Rosemont, Ont. (Zone 4a)
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Hi Ken! The flowers look like an Arbutus, but I'm not sure if there are any Arbutus species with spines. Do the trees have peeling bark?
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May 16, 2018 11:57 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
The trees are Bucida buceras, aka Black Olive, June.
drdawg (Ken Ramsey) - Tropical Plants & More

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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May 16, 2018 2:45 PM CST
Name: June
Rosemont, Ont. (Zone 4a)
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Thanks, Ken! I've learned something new today.

I hope you and your plants are happy in your new home. Have you posted about your move on a thread somewhere?
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May 16, 2018 7:38 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I don't really have any sort of "thread", June. Don't have time for such things, particularly now.
drdawg (Ken Ramsey) - Tropical Plants & More

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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May 16, 2018 8:31 PM CST
Name: June
Rosemont, Ont. (Zone 4a)
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Ken, I hope when everything is unpacked and set up, you can take time to post some more pictures. The driveway looks spectacular!
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May 17, 2018 3:27 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I have posted several photos, June, but I don't know what you saw. Just in case you did not see this one, it is an aerial view from the front of the house. The 4-tree cluster that I wanted an ID of are in the upper right of the house. The large stand of trees on the other side of the driveway and along part of the back boundary are Australian Pines. I have never seen an Australian Pine, but apparently these trees were introduced to FL in the 1800's to serve as wind-breaks. The property I am on was once a large citrus grove and I am sure the pines served as a wind-break for those citrus trees. These trees are beautiful but are now disliked by the FL agricultural folks and I think they are even considered to be invasive trees. Because they are such vigorous growers, they will displace native trees . Oh well, I like them nonetheless. What do I know. Whistling

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drdawg (Ken Ramsey) - Tropical Plants & More

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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May 17, 2018 5:31 PM CST
Name: June
Rosemont, Ont. (Zone 4a)
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Wow! It's breathtaking. I'm so happy for you Ken. It looks like paradise.

Um. I'm almost afraid to ask.... are there alligators in your lake?
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May 17, 2018 7:29 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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We have not seen a single gator, snake, or even turtle in the pond. And I look every day. In fact, this afternoon the next door neighbor's son and his girlfriend were on a rubber raft in the pond, soaking up the sun. I think our pond is a "safe" body of water. We have ducks, herons, ibis, cranes, egrets that visit the pond though. I don't think they are dangerous. Whistling
drdawg (Ken Ramsey) - Tropical Plants & More

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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May 18, 2018 10:43 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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In my experience, alligators just somehow populate any pond created in this area. Perhaps Florida alligators are not such ambitious hikers as ours.
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May 18, 2018 11:49 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Perhaps so, Pork. Almost everyone I chat with here on ATP/NGA and FB says I'll have gators in my pond. I simply don't have any now, and my next door neighbor, on the other side of the pond (he owns half of it) says that he's never seen a gator in the pond over the last decade plus. I saw many gators when I lived on the Mississippi Gulf coast for 25 yr. Mississippi has a gator-season and huge ones are killed during that hunting season. I think one was caught/killed a couple of yr. ago that measured just under 14' and weighed almost 700 lb. I think that record has been broken though. If I see one in the pond, I will either capture it or just shoot it. It's no big deal, one way or the other. I don't want one as a pet. Whistling
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I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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