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Name: Joshua
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Australis
May 13, 2018 8:19 PM CST

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Hi Della,

Your first blog posting was an enjoyable read and I'm looking forward to the next one.

I, too, am on the Autism Spectrum (i.e. probably have Asperger's Syndrome, but was never keen on the term "aspie" for some reason). No doubt this helps in my work on the Orchid part of the database... it's a useful and enjoyable outlet for my more obsessive tendencies (for the neurotypicals, individuals on the spectrum have special interests that we can be quite obsessive about).

As for the naming of plants... oh, for the world to be consistent! Orchids get their primary common name from Orchidaceae (the family). Lilies... well, Lilium is the genus and Liliaceae is the family. So if this were the same, then Liliums, Tulips (Tulipa), Frits (Fritillaria), Erythroniums and all the other genera in the Liliaceae family would also be Lilies (yes, some of them do have "lily" in the common name, like "Trout Lily" being a common name for Erythroniums)! Nerines, Amaryllis and Agapanthus would not be Lilies, but Amaryllids instead too (this name is occasionally used, but ask the average person if they grow Amaryllids and they'll probably give you a blank look before pointing to a Hippeastrum... since they're called Amaryllis D'Oh! ). The insanity of inconsistency is just one of those things I have to acknowledge (read: I recognise it exists, but I don't have to like it, nor do I always understand it).

As for the database, us admins try to keep it as up-to-date and taxonomically correct as possible. Almost everything should be in there (in terms of genera and species; cultivars are another matter). If something is missing, just let us know or post in the Plant Database thread!
Plant Authorities: Catalogue of Life (Species) --- International Cultivar Registration Authorities (Cultivars) --- RHS Orchid Register --- RHS Lilium Register
My Notes: Orchid Genera HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Traits HTML PDF --- Lilium Species Crosses HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Species Diagram
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Name: della
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dellac
May 14, 2018 2:28 AM CST
Hi Joshua, thank you!

I knew it nodding (I find "aspie" a positive term, maybe because the alternatives are... worse? Though I really enjoy "on the spectrum" too. I've never had negative associations around autism, probably because being neurodivergent was/is normal for my family!)

Do you have a preferred term of self-reference?

I'm glad that keeping track of the database is fun. You know though, as brief and incredulous as it was, I had a real moment when I thought Nerines might not exist in the ATP universe! Hilarious!

Let's see if I can waffle around another blog post. Green Grin!





Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
Köppen Climate Zone Cfb
Region: Australia Bookworm Cat Lover Lilies Orchids Irises
Seed Starter Annuals Container Gardener Garden Photography Forum moderator Avid Green Pages Reviewer
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Australis
May 14, 2018 7:00 AM CST

Plants SuperMod

I'm not sure I really have a preferred term beyond "on the spectrum" or "Asperger's". The traits are scattered throughout my extended family and I just happened to be the one to end up with the lot! Never been officially diagnosed, but quite a few people familiar with autism have independently commented on it and having researched it a lot (have you read Dr. Tony Attwood's book?), I am quite comfortable with having found a descriptor for the way I work. It wasn't until I was 18 that anyone started to put the pieces together, though. I have mixed feelings towards autism; I know some of my skillset is a result of it, but being "different" (especially as a child more interested in science books than Aussie football or cricket!) was difficult at times. There were (and still occasionally are) days where I totally understand why it's sometimes referred to as "Wrong Planet Syndrome!"

I'm glad you eventually found the Nerines! Hilarious!

I'm sure you'll find a way to "waffle" through another blog post! Hilarious! I'm sure you're familiar with the ability to go on and on and on (and on and on and on and on....) when one gets started on their special interest!
Plant Authorities: Catalogue of Life (Species) --- International Cultivar Registration Authorities (Cultivars) --- RHS Orchid Register --- RHS Lilium Register
My Notes: Orchid Genera HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Traits HTML PDF --- Lilium Species Crosses HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Species Diagram
The current profile image is that of Iris 'Volcanic Glow'.
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Name: della
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dellac
May 16, 2018 2:31 AM CST
Oh yes! And on! I fact, due to my propensity to waffle, I have to re-post this response as today's blog. nodding

It's one of the reasons I'm not prolific in writing and posting. When I read something I want to reply to, or have virtual essays of thought on, before I begin to type I have to check my available resources - do I have enough time, will I be interrupted, am I feeling cogent enough... etc ? - then weigh up the costs against any possible return. Don't want to break the bank trying to participate! Hilarious!

Not that it's an odious task to write. I love it. I'm just almost congenitally unable to write a short message. I try. I have another mode, which is something like 'quip mode' (polite term), in which I attempt to say something brief but which is, to me anyway, not serious.

But anyway, if the words start to flow they don't easily stop and I lose sense of time. Then if I get interrupted I have to start the thought process again at the beginning.... As it is, every thought gives rise to tangents I want to follow. But, can't. I mean... must resist!

Ahhhh..... I thought about beginning a blog about discovering the spectrum as an adult, but I worry I don't have the capacity (resources) to post regularly, and there are already some good ones out there anyway. Since plants (and the light shining through them) have been Special Things since my very early memories, and I have such a jungle of thoughts that grow from those seeds, I finally decided to begin mapping that inner terrain from here. This is my trainer-wheel blog. Smiling

In the outer world I'm learning to use digital photography to match the clarity and experience of light I perceive subjectively, and (I really hope!) convey the love I experience for my subjects. I am not technically proficient. I expect it will be a long journey!

But it's funny, growing up around neurodivergent folk, I knew we were different but didn't know our kind of different had a name. Not until I had to help my 14 year old son through his own ASD diagnosis. Then the light came on. What still amazes me, is that the world isn't this way for neurotypical folk. D'Oh! How do they survive? Sticking tongue out

I did read - a lot - to ensure I wasn't just mislead, but I missed Tony Attwood. I'll search out his writing. I decided against a formal diagnosis, because after the process with my son and once I began digging into the lives of autistic folk, I realised I knew more than the specialists I might talk to. I just knew.

It's a little like the taxonomy dilemma we have in botany. For centuries we used evaluations of form and function to create classifications. What is the plant used for? Where does it grow? How does it appear to us? Our concept of a 'species' relies upon an old functional definition. Can they interbreed and produce viable offspring, are they geographically discreet, and so on. NOT ON THE INTRINSIC NATURE OF A THING. Now, phylogenetic revision changes that. We're learning about the true nature of relationships between things. Lovey dubby

Anyway, in assessing ASD we rely on an evaluation of dysfunction from the view of observers. Not on the intrinsic nature of a thing. You might guess, I'm interested in The Intrinsic Nature of Things, so I gave the evaluation a miss. In doing so I had to give up a yearning for external validation of all my life's pains. Tough decision, but I made it. :p Might have been a growth moment there. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
Köppen Climate Zone Cfb
Region: Australia Bookworm Cat Lover Lilies Orchids Irises
Seed Starter Annuals Container Gardener Garden Photography Forum moderator Avid Green Pages Reviewer
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Australis
May 16, 2018 3:15 AM CST

Plants SuperMod

Della, I could comment on almost everything in that response, but I'd better not or I'll be here for hours! It sounds a lot like you are like me in the tendency to over-analyse and spend lots of time thinking about things. Way too easy to get caught up in whatever I'm working on and then hours have passed...

Suffice to say I don't want to derail your blog progress, so no need to write a response here unless you want to. I look forward to your next post!
Plant Authorities: Catalogue of Life (Species) --- International Cultivar Registration Authorities (Cultivars) --- RHS Orchid Register --- RHS Lilium Register
My Notes: Orchid Genera HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Traits HTML PDF --- Lilium Species Crosses HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Species Diagram
The current profile image is that of Iris 'Volcanic Glow'.
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
May 17, 2018 11:38 PM CST
Hilarious! Thumbs up

Chronic over-thinker here!

I love hearing (reading) responses, but as I'm a more than a bit overwhelmed just now, I'll have to settle for building up enough energy to chase down the next train of thought.

Seriously though, sometimes it feels more like trying to catch butterflies with a holey sock on a stick! My brain is currently a bowl of metaphor soup. Blinking

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