Growing Pains: Succulent

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Growing Pains

By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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victoria12
May 14, 2018 8:59 AM CST
I bought this succulent from Walmart this past Wednesday and replanted it that night. I put some rocks in the bottom of the clear pot and put some special succulent soil around the plant. I watered it very lightly last night, barely enough for it to get anything. The plant sits indoors near a window. Looking at the plant, the leaves are wrinkly and feel droopy. Is this because I watered it or need to water it more? Should I water it immediately when I replanted it? Please help.
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Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 14, 2018 9:05 AM CST
This should be moved to where it will get seen more. @valleylynn, can you help?
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 14, 2018 9:17 AM CST
Hi Victoria.
Lets call @tarev. She is very good with the tender succulents.
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 14, 2018 9:19 AM CST
Thanks, Lynn. I thought it would be better moved to the Plant ID forum. since this was meant for sempervivums.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 14, 2018 9:56 AM CST
@zuzu

Zuzu, could you move this to the Cactus and Tender Succulent Forum?
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zuzu
May 14, 2018 10:26 AM CST

Plants Admin

Sorry, Lynn. It's attached to an article, so I don't have the option to move it to another forum. You'll have to ask @dave to do this.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
May 14, 2018 10:29 AM CST
Thank you Zuz.
@dave
Good morning Dave. Can this thread be moved to the Cactus and Tender Succulent Forum? I think Victoria will get a better response on caring for this echeveria. I am hoping some one will help her save this plant.
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victoria12
May 14, 2018 1:12 PM CST
I'm sorry for the trouble. I didn't realize I was under a different thread. I can move it if someone will tell me how. My succulent looks the same, I'm hoping to save it soon.
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 14, 2018 1:19 PM CST
Does it have drain holes in the pot, Victoria? Putting rocks in the bottom of a pot doesn't help at all. I would hold off on watering it. I've over watered too many of them! It could just be a bit of transplant shock. Normally it's better to leave a new succulent in the pot it came in until it's used to your new situation and growing well.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 14, 2018 2:57 PM CST
Victoria, it is not a problem. Dave can easily move the thread to a more appropriate forum.

Karen's advise is very good. In fact if there is standing water in the bottom of your glass container I would take the plant out and place it in new soil, in a container with drain holes, and don't water it for a few days.
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victoria12
May 14, 2018 9:33 PM CST
I wasn't going to put it in something without drain holes, but my friends have had succulents in these cute pots and they have flourished. I barely watered this succulent at all. Barely enough to get it wet. I have absolutely no clue on how it would be too watered unless the store did it. I guess it could be in culture shock though. I'm nervous that I planted it wrong or something. I mixed it with special cactus soil.
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plantmanager
May 14, 2018 9:35 PM CST
I have grown in pots without holes, but it's tricky and you have to really water very little. It's so much better to be able to really soak a plant til the water runs out the bottom, and then hold off til it's pretty dry before watering again.
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victoria12
May 15, 2018 8:43 AM CST
Would the droopy, sagging leaves be from watering it though or from replanting it? Because as previously mentioned, I've barely watered it. Is there a way to pot a plant wrong? Sorry I'm new to all of this.
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 15, 2018 8:57 AM CST
Probably the problem is from the replanting. I'd leave it alone for a while and it should firm up. You can tell if it needs water by looking at the leaves. They will slightly wrinkle if it needs watering.
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victoria12
May 15, 2018 9:37 AM CST
What kind of sunlight/shade does the plant need to be in? Also, the leaves are wrinkled slightly so does that mean I need to water it or leave it alone?
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Name: Karen
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plantmanager
May 15, 2018 9:56 AM CST
I'd keep it in bright light, but no direct sun for now. You could give it a teaspoon of water around the base and see if it firms up. It may not be re-rooted, so that might not happen right away.
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tarev
May 15, 2018 10:00 AM CST
Hello victoria12, typically echeverias like it with more light. But like any other succulent, if it is newly repotted, allow some time to acclimate and position first to part shade to help it recover. You have already watered it, ideally I would have waited about a week before watering it. So all you can do now is wait for the media to dry out some more. If it is being grown indoors this dry out time will take much longer.

If it were mine, I would use a wider but shallow container, since the roots of this plant is shallow growing. It also allows me to check the soil around it if it is in a wider container. Wrinkly leaves can either be over or underwatering. It can also be a cycle when the plant slowly dries off the older lower leaves as it redirects its energies to new growth. New growth can either be new leaves or maybe a bloomstalk which shows up in between the leaves.

Also I do not use containers with no drain holes. Water needs to drain out faster and to allow accumulated salts to be flushed out.

Temps around 65F to 85F is always good for this plant along with bright light access. Temps hovering much higher from 90F to triple digits and dry will push the plant to some dormancy where it will slowly close down its rosettes as it waits for the temps to improve and conserve the moisture loss it is undergoing at that point. So just watch out for those seasonal changes later on.

I always use pumice or perlite to lighten up the soil, so it does not compact too much and allow good airflow below soil level. I also use a mix or chicken grit and pumice as top dressing to help the base of the plant stay drier.
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valleylynn
May 15, 2018 10:03 AM CST
I agree, bright light, but not direct sun. If you look at the new leaves towards the center of the rosette, you can see they look healthy. The outer/lower leaves are older and will probably die. The rosette renews from the center.

So good to see your response tarev. We cross posted. Great information and advice. Thank you so much. I learn from your posts.
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victoria12
Jul 29, 2018 6:16 PM CST
I'm posting this here because I'm not sure where else to go. I posted somewhere else and haven't gotten a reply. I just want to hurry and help my baby.

Hello, my name is Victoria and I'm a new lover of various cacti and succulents. With that being said, my boyfriend made me a cactus hanging pot to go in my car (on the rear view mirror). I know this is not the ideal place for a plant, so I bring it inside every so often. Wim (the cactus' name) appears to have a bleached and shriveled appearance on one side. I kept him inside for a week while I was out of town and came back to two small brown spots on the same side as the bleached look. I left him in a window while I was gone, so I wonder if this is from too much sun? If there's absolutely no way he will survive there, I will permanently leave him inside. He's just so cute in my car though haha. I've attached some photos to show the affected areas. The photo that shows a little name tag on the far left is of the healthy side.

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jul 29, 2018 6:53 PM CST
@tarev and @Baja_Costero

I have called on tarev and Baja, they both know so much about cacti and other succulents.

My guess is that your plants was burned while in the care. The window act like a magnifying glass and can cause burn spots on the cactus. Your car is not a proper environment for your lovely cactus.
But lets see what our two experts say.

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