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zone 5 - northern Illinois  ninabee May 25, 2018 9:10 AM CST |
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Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK     Silversurfer May 25, 2018 10:33 AM CST |
| Please could you add a clear close up of the flowers. It may be Exochorda macrantha.....but equally it could be a very different shrub. |
zone 5 - northern Illinois ninabee May 26, 2018 5:52 PM CST |
@Silversurfer, They are starting to brown  Guessing they will be gone soon. |
Salt Spring Island, BC (Zone 8b)        islander May 26, 2018 5:59 PM CST |
 He who plants a garden plants happiness. |
Name: Sue Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)           sooby May 26, 2018 6:10 PM CST |
| The leaves of Exochorda x macrantha look rounded at the tips, and entire (no teeth) in this picture: https://www.google.ca/search?q...: In the second pic of the ID plant the leaves have pointed tips and teeth. |
Salt Spring Island, BC (Zone 8b) islander May 26, 2018 6:14 PM CST |
| I can't think of anything else with the same habit that'd grow in zone 5. The fountain shape looks right for Exochorda. I was trying to figure out the petal count - 5? He who plants a garden plants happiness. |
Name: Sue Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a) sooby May 26, 2018 6:21 PM CST |
| The only clear one shows four petals but it could have lost one. It's hard to figure out the rest but it could be 5. It looks rather apple-y other than habit, but I can't think what it might be. |
Name: Sue Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a) sooby May 26, 2018 6:35 PM CST |
| If it is 4 petals, a long shot might be Philadelphus lewisii 'Blizzard'? The leaves would also need to be opposite of course, which we can't see. https://www.google.ca/search?q... |
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK Silversurfer May 27, 2018 3:23 AM CST |
| sooby is correct in that the leaves do not match Exochorda. Are the leaves opposite or alternate? I would like to see what the fruits/seed pods look like. Pics just aren't clear enough. Flower/ Leaves don't look right for Philadelphus lewisii 'Blizzard' https://www.google.com/search?...: |
zone 5 - northern Illinois ninabee May 27, 2018 9:57 AM CST |
| There are 5 petals. |
Name: Sue Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a) sooby May 27, 2018 10:17 AM CST |
ninabee said:There are 5 petals. Thank you, that helps. Can you take off a leaf or two and put them flat on plain white paper and take a picture so we can see detail? It would also help to see a twig showing the arrangement of the leaves, unless you can just tell us if they are opposite (two leaves directly opposing each other on the stem), or alternate (single leaf, then a gap on the twig/branch, then another single leaf). |
Name: John Scott County, KY (Zone 5b) You can't have too many viburnums..          ViburnumValley May 27, 2018 4:34 PM CST |
| That sure looks like Flowering Crabapple to me - Malus x. Those are Rosaceae member flowers. Northern Illinois is a haven for many selections of this great small flowering tree, and more than a few growers produce them from rooting cuttings rather than grafting or budding - to avoid the inevitable suckering understock problem. They also train them as multi-stemmed plants, which can produce a shrubby spreading appearance when they are younger plants. Finally: there are some excellent octoploid selections which are far more compact than the average bear, er, crab - including one called 'Satin Cloud'. These small trees have quite short internodes, and when they are in bloom they indeed appear to be clouds of white blossoms. See here: https://davesgarden.com/guides... John |
zone 5 - northern Illinois ninabee Jun 5, 2018 10:25 AM CST |
Here is the picture of a leaf. It's starting to grow little berry things. So maybe it is a crabapple tree of some sort??  |
zone 5 - northern Illinois ninabee Jun 5, 2018 5:18 PM CST |
| My whatever it is is very small, so I just Googled Dwarf Malus x Crabapple. My bush/tree doesn't resemble the pictures on Google. Pictures show crab apple trees with one trunk. Mine has multiple trunks (if that's what they are called). Also Googled Philadelphus lewisii 'Blizzard' and Exochorda. Those look really full when in bloom. Mine did not look that full. Maybe because it could be newer? @sooby, leaves alternate. Here are some more pictures.    |
Name: Sue Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a) sooby Jun 5, 2018 5:33 PM CST |
| I'm inclined to go with John's assessment that it is a crabapple of some kind. Did you look at the link he gave which showed one growing as a shrub? |
Name: John Scott County, KY (Zone 5b) You can't have too many viburnums.. ViburnumValley Jun 5, 2018 9:26 PM CST |
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zone 5 - northern Illinois ninabee Jul 2, 2018 1:34 PM CST |
| @ViburnumValley, will this ever grow up or will it always stay low to the ground? |
Name: greene Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b) I have no use for internet bullies!          greene Jul 2, 2018 3:29 PM CST |
| You could prune when dormant and train the plant to be more upright. Be careful to not remove too much growth each year. Select the strongest, most verticle branch and let that be the main branch. Start pruning away a little each year. No guarantee it will ever look like a tree but it is still pretty. I once had a Star Magnolia that wanted to be a shrub but I worked on it over several years. I trained mine to have 3 main trunks and it was very nice. Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith" |
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