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Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
May 25, 2018 1:29 PM CST
Have a few agaves to give out. Picture below. Have to re-pot and cut off the babies. Most will have no roots but they do root easy.
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Picture of my agave collection;
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Going to remove these two pups as well.
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I love these guys but they are so slow to grow and stay small.
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Also have a larger Soap Aloe to give out.

I have some on my list of plants I'm giving out but the Asclepiads are not doing so well. I have some I will give out to my list.

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I just brought them out a few days ago and they are already picking up some. I have been very busy with family matters and not feeling so well myself. Taking my time packing up and sending out boxes.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 25, 2018 7:47 PM CST
Stush, I love that variegated Agave - Agave isthmensis shoji raijin

If its on the "give away" list, put me in line. Smiling

You know I'm always in line for Stapeliads.
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Hamwild
May 25, 2018 7:59 PM CST
Stush2019 said: Going to remove these two pups as well.
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Hi Stush, can I "reserve" one of the pups? I tip my hat to you. Thank You!

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Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
May 26, 2018 7:25 AM CST
Daisy, Unfortunately I only showed it as my collection. Very slow growing and slow to pup. I got you listed for Asclepiads but unsure that I can give you any on your list.
I don't have the correct ID for the first pictured. I think it might be A. parryii or A. potatorum. It has the nick name of Desert Rose. Lots of pups on these.
Other is A. lophantha 'Splendas'.
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
May 26, 2018 9:37 AM CST

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First plant looks like an isthmensis or offsetting dwarf potatorum which sometimes also goes under the name "Baja". No relation. Smiling Your agaves look really well cared for, Stush.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 26, 2018 9:54 AM CST
Yes, figured that was the case. Please don't feel bad, that's why I copied down the name. Smiling
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Name: Agavegirl1
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AgaveGirl1
May 26, 2018 10:38 AM CST
Stush,

Just wanted to say you have a lovely collection of plants and that is most generous of you to share. Thumbs up

Unfortunately I can't take any off your hands as I already have 9 pups I am growing of my own and a yard full of agaves and other plants. Rolling my eyes. But I just wanted to comment on how nice it is of you to offer and how much I enjoyed looking at the collection. Drooling

I hope you feel better soon and things improve with the family. Group hug
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Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
May 27, 2018 9:02 AM CST
Baja, Now I really confused. Thank you for the information. It does look most like Agave isthmensis – Dwarf Butterfly Agave the most. I'll call it Baja. I was given an A. Parryii patronii and it looks just like it. But on google at full grown there are differences. Also A. potatorum comes to mind since I also own a A. potatorum variegated. But again when full grown I could see some differences. Those in my first picture are very old and I removed pups several times and the mother plant never seems to get much bigger than what you see. Makes it the perfect house plant for me. Those A. Americana Mido-Picta and A. Americana Variegata can quickly out grow their home. So far the mido-picta is staying small for the past few years. I had some regular A. americana that was well over 4 ft. tall and wide and used to cut me up every time I had to move them. Pots and all was getting over 50 lbs. and was just too much for me.
AgaveGirl, Thanks. You should see how much abuse they go thru during the winter months. One small basement window facing west is all I can afford them. Best part, I only have to water them maybe twice a season in the basement. They are my easiest house plants to care for.
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
May 27, 2018 10:39 AM CST

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Yes, that plant has gone under parryi and other names. One difference you can tell based on the leaves is that your dwarves have margins where the leaf actually swells out a little around the base of the actual spines... but the margins are nearly straight on parryi, usually. Once the plant flowers you can see a bunch of other differences. And actually the "Baja" plant does not take too long to flower (here in the ground) if you try to keep it more or less solitary, like you are doing.

The difference in terms of leaf shape between potatorum and isthmensis is more subtle and mostly lost on me (the former species is much older than the latter and much more familiar to old timers). But the smaller size usually seen in isthmensis is like you say a real plus for those who need to move their plants in for the winter, or want to grow them like you do as house plants in strong light.

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mcvansoest
May 28, 2018 10:20 AM CST
It could also be something called Agave 'Rosa Gorda' aka 'Confederate Rose'. They are pupping machines and I do not think they are at all related to Agave parryi. Like Baja wrote they are in the A. isthmensis group of sports/cultivars.

True potatorum is a way larger plant - 3-4 feet diameter and some times more and way taller at maturity, with generally wider spaced teeth. though the true isthmensis also has pretty wide spaced teeth. Most potatorums are solitary or offsetting only very infrequently, though in cultivation, especially tissue cultured plants, are known to offset quite a bit, but generally if you would put those in the ground the offsetting tends to stop. Recently A. nussaviorum was described which split off a bunch of plants of what used to be considered A. potatorum, I have not yet figured out how to distinguish between the two.

I am not familiar with Agave parryi patronii.

The only know official varieties/subspecies of parryi are
var. truncata
ssp. couesii
ssp. huachucensis
ssp. parryi
and some still count ssp. neomexicana among A. parryi, but others feel that might be its own separate species.
So at best your parryi patronii is a cultivar or selection.
One thing I was wondering is if it came to you as Agave patonii, which was used for some supposed variegated Agave parryi clones for a while, but more recently has been considered synonymous with Agave applanata cv. 'Creamspike'.
It is what it is!
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
May 28, 2018 5:42 PM CST
Seems this is happening across the board of plants. Always changing and re-grouping into new categories. As knowledge increases, they have to update the books.
Thanks for the info.
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Frenchy21
May 29, 2018 11:15 AM CST
Hi Stush - I hope you feel better soon. Whenever you are able to ship Agave pups, I would love a variegated one please. Smiling
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
May 30, 2018 11:46 AM CST
Okay, Frenchy. Got you marked down.
Hamwild, need your info.
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May 30, 2018 11:54 AM CST
Okay, I will send you a tree-mail. Thank You!
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Jun 2, 2018 9:19 AM CST
I know I have been taking a while but I have been sick and recovering slowly. Hopefully next week I can start to work on these.
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Jun 2, 2018 9:35 AM CST
Group hug Stush, feel better soon!
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Name: Frenchy
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Frenchy21
Jun 2, 2018 10:50 AM CST
Please don't worry about when you can work on the agaves Stush. Your health is much more important. Please rest and take care of yourself. Thumbs up
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Hamwild
Jun 2, 2018 11:03 AM CST
I agree, no rush! Your health is more important. Group hug
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Jun 3, 2018 1:20 PM CST
Thanks all, prayers working. Feeling much better.
Name: Frenchy
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Frenchy21
Jun 3, 2018 1:30 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray!

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