Roses forum: Strange new growth at the bottom of my Floribunda

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Lauraogi1
Jun 1, 2018 7:02 AM CST
There are some very thick new stems at the bottom of our Floribunda Rose. I'm very new to gardening and im not sure if this is normal or a virus. I've seen comments about Rosetta virus but the plant has no red parts. It's all very green.
Any help??? Sighing!
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Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Jun 1, 2018 7:51 AM CST
I just checked on helpmefind rose, and they stated that this Romanian bred rose, is "armed with thorns and prickly."! I would offer that your rose is living up to it's description! Cheers! PS. Nice looking picture on helpmefind.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 1, 2018 10:18 AM CST
I don't think those thorny canes are normal, even for a well armed rose.
Porkpal

Lauraogi1
Jun 1, 2018 10:42 AM CST
porkpal said:I don't think those thorny canes are normal, even for a well armed rose.


What do you think this could be?

Lauraogi1
Jun 1, 2018 10:43 AM CST
fwmosher said:I just checked on helpmefind rose, and they stated that this Romanian bred rose, is "armed with thorns and prickly."! I would offer that your rose is living up to it's description! Cheers! PS. Nice looking picture on helpmefind.


Can you send me the link to the information you found, please?
Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Jun 1, 2018 10:50 AM CST
Lauraogi1: This is a good reference site for finding out a lot about roses. In Google or your favorite search engine, merely type in: helpmefind and usually up will come helpmefind roses. So that's the one you choose.
Then on the left side of the screen, is a "search" button to tap, and then, you can type in the name of your rose, and up it will come! Cheers!
Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Jun 1, 2018 10:55 AM CST
Porkpal: "I don't think those thorny canes are normal, even for a well armed rose." Did you look at the description of the rose and the picture? Please don't tell me we are going down the RRD road again?? I hope not.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2018 11:00 AM CST

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Here's the link:

http://www.helpmefind.com/gard...

"Armed with thorns and prickles" is the default description on HMF for any thorny rose. I don't see anything resembling those canes in the HMF photos. Here's one showing the canes, displaying no signs of that degree of thorniness.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2018 1:02 PM CST

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So, I guess we're talking about a different rose because I see that you've now edited your first post to say "Floribunda" instead of "Rosabunda." Do you know the name of your rose? Something in its lineage could be producing this degree of thorniness. I have Gallica roses and Moss roses with similar canes.

Lauraogi1
Jun 1, 2018 3:01 PM CST
I looked at the paper attached and it says Floribunda. Apologies for the initial error.

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MargieNY
Jun 1, 2018 4:28 PM CST
Floribunda, Rosabunda-either way, I don't think that many thorns is normal. If it were my rose, I would discard of it "properly".
Name: Donna Marshall
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hndmarshall
Jun 1, 2018 6:43 PM CST
before tossing it out ..... could the rose have been miss marked?....would not be the first

Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 1, 2018 9:08 PM CST
Does anyone know a rose with that type of thorns? And does this rose also have other canes that are less thorny?
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 2, 2018 1:25 AM CST
porkpal said:Does anyone know a rose with that type of thorns? And does this rose also have other canes that are less thorny?


Yes, I do. That type of thorniness is common to roses classified as moss roses. None of the roses the lineage is a moss rose, so it's unlikely that what you are seeing is not a characteristic that was passed down through breeding with a moss rose.

@Zuzu .. "armed with thorns", if it is listed on the main page of the rose on the HMF site has to come from the patent or another publication open to public scrutiny. IF the characteristic comes from a MEMBER COMMENT, there is generally a note at the bottom of the page stating which member made the comment upon his/her observation.

If budwood for a rose is taken from a particulary thorny cane, the roses cloned from that cane will also have the thorny characteristic. If the budwood is taken from a cane with less thorns, the clones will have fewer thones. So, selection of budwood plays a role, too.

The link at the bottom of the page goes to:

http://amicii-rozelor.ro/Roman...

The Google translation is:

Class floribunda.

Medium-high bush, 90/60 cm, with semi-erect branches and many thorns. Medium, glossy leaves. Insect flowers (35 petals), large, elegant buds, pink-intense petals that fade in the intense sun. Moderate, pleasant fragrance.


The thorn pattern is similar to what Ginny found on a rose in her garden ... note the canes in her photo were impacted by winter die back"

https://garden.org/thread/view...

She determined that her rose did have RRD

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 2, 2018 1:51 AM CST
'Kim Rupert' is the only moss rose I am growing in this garden.

Here are a couple of photos where you can see the thorns on a cane on the left side of the photo. There are other moss roses with a lot more thorns ... Smiling


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I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 2, 2018 11:04 AM CST

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Lyn, you say: "None of the roses the lineage is a moss rose, so it's unlikely that what you are seeing is not a characteristic that was passed down through breeding with a moss rose."

We don't know the name of the rose, so how can we know anything about its lineage? Laura mistakenly called it "Rosebunda," but she has since corrected that to "Floribunda."
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MargieNY
Jun 2, 2018 12:18 PM CST
zuzu said:Lyn, you say:

We don't know the name of the rose, so how can we know anything about its lineage? Laura mistakenly called it "Rosebunda," but she has since corrected that to "Floribunda."


Exactly, my evaluation of the situation - "we don't know". That's why I am came to the conclusion to discard it. If one wants to roll the dice with this "vampire" rose, at least one should consider isolating it from all other roses in the garden. Just my opinion.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 2, 2018 7:07 PM CST
zuzu said:Lyn, you say: "None of the roses the lineage is a moss rose, so it's unlikely that what you are seeing is not a characteristic that was passed down through breeding with a moss rose."

We don't know the name of the rose, so how can we know anything about its lineage? Laura mistakenly called it "Rosebunda," but she has since corrected that to "Floribunda."


Zuzu ... there is a rose listed on HMF as 'Rosebunda' ... Smiling bred by Stefan Wagner in Romania introduced in 1979. The lineage is :

Frankfurt am Main x Maria Callas

However, I was thinking about this thread as I was working in the garden today and realized that I haven't heard about any cases of rose rosette disease in Europe.

What Laura is seeing on her rose may be caused by something completely different than RRD.

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 2, 2018 7:18 PM CST

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Yes, Lin, we all assumed it was the Romanian rose until Laura changed the name to Floribunda. Besides, we don't know where Laura is located. I thought she was in Brazil when I read "estranhe," which has now been changed to "strange," in the title of her thread.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 2, 2018 7:28 PM CST
OK ... I guess I can say, "I don't know." ... Big Grin
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.

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