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Jun 4, 2018 7:19 AM CST
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Ok, experts! I'm ready for you to give it to me straight!

I am an amateur gardener- after reading this the will be no question of that! I have decided to give gardening a try after years of a neglected lawn, I thought why not try to grow something I'd love to look at and that my kids would (hopefully) delight in, as well?

I read and read and read, for two years, before starting some seeds in my backyard this year. Everything was so exciting. (I work about 75-90 hours per week in the busiest times of the year) when my hours at my other jobs died down, I'd find myself coming home a ton earlier, in the late afternoon- rushing through the house and then run outside to look at the soil and seeds I had packed into styrofoam cups.

When finally one day, seedlings emerged, and I kinda felt like a new mother! My kids were getting excited, too. Things were great. One by one, each vegetable began to show off their little green leaves.

The seedlings are all at least one month old, ready to pot up, or get into the ground.

My first, full time job, is teaching. I have been waiting for summer break to begin potting these up.

Well, wouldn't you know it? About a week and a half ago, they all started to turn brown. I couldn't figure out why. The soil was soaked. My complaint to my husband got him on the case- he figured it out after a few days... the neglected gutters had gotten clogged with whirlybirds and filled up with maple saplings that were clogging and overflowing the gutters onto my precious little green babies.

This happens to us every year, yet every year I forget about it. The gutters fill with the seeds from our maple, they germinate, clog the gutter, create a great environment for mosquitoes and the water becomes stagnant.

My first days off school have been filled with all sorts of maintenance issues like the gutters. Now that I have the gutters taken care of, I'm looking at my little plants that have been taking in that water for at least a week and a half before I moved them.

Here are the results,

Corn: The lower leaves are brown, the stalk and upper leaves are green. I'm hoping it will make a recovery?

Green bean: the stalks look good, some lower leaves I removed because they were brown. I potted these to larger containers and now some of the leaves are brown again.

Peas: the lower leaves were looking yellow, I potted up and removed yellowing leaves. They're mostly recovered. I noticed a few were turning yellow again.

Cucumber: same as above

I still have squash, cantaloupe, tomatoes, peppers, spinach and lettuce to pot up.

The only real concern I have with those last plants is the cantaloupe look as though they might have spots on their leaves. I'm assuming this might be a fungus. Should I toss these?

And the end question, should I toss everything? I'd be so mad at myself. But don't want to wreck the abundant harvest season (wishful). Just want to know from experts what you think my choices are, knowing my little plants got dumped on by nasty mosquito infested and maple sapling infested stagnant water a few times it rained for about a week and a half.

Even if the veggies are looking as if they are recovering well, is there a chance that they have been effected on a deep-down biological level that they cannot recover from?

You know the answer I want to hear is, everything is fine. Sunshine and rainbows. But give it to me. I can take it!

Thanks for reading. Can't wait to hear from you!
Jun 4, 2018 7:24 AM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
I would just let them keep growing, you do not want to pluck the leaves off.
As Yogi Berra said, β€œIt's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Jun 4, 2018 8:39 AM CST
Name: Mindi Hammerstone
Tracy, CA (Zone 9b)
Dog Lover Dragonflies
In my opinion where there is green there is life. You should post some pictures so that we can see what's going on.

Like how much brown and yellow. Make sure not to overwater. Put your finger in the soil to check if it's wet, if so don't water, if it's barely damp or dry water!! I do it with my potted Gardenia and it works great and is easy.


Jun 4, 2018 8:39 AM CST
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
They'll probably ? Be OK.
Although pictures would help us determine if you would be better off starting over, or not.
It's probably because they were drounding in water.
You do have drain holes in pots, I hope. πŸ‘ πŸ˜€
Isn't it time to get them in the ground ??? Shrug!

Sometimes, if seedlings are set back to much, it's better to direct seeds into garden, because of the time seedlings take to get over the shock of transplanting.
Do you know your safe planting date ?

Ttfn πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
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Jun 4, 2018 9:02 AM CST
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Thanks guys! I'll get pics up soon. I was texting from bed lol. First day I slept in til 6:30am and just stayed there!

I had hoped to have garden area ready by now, but with no time... I haven't got it squared away. I'm tilling it today, after I used soil solarization to kill off surface of anything that might harm my veggies, including grubs galore. I'm hoping it worked.

Again, I'm an amateur.

Point me in the correct direction, oh wise ones!

Thanks again!
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Jun 4, 2018 9:58 AM CST
Name: Mindi Hammerstone
Tracy, CA (Zone 9b)
Dog Lover Dragonflies
And welcome!! Welcome! Welcome! There are a lot of nice people here and lots of things to do!!

See you around!!


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Jun 4, 2018 10:27 AM CST
Name: Virginia

It sounds like summer is your less busy time of year? That might be the best time to really get your beds sorted out, and then directly sow seeds for your fall veggies. Some things should be getting in the ground now, and it sounds like there isn't a garden quite ready for your seedlings yet. If your garden will be ready soon then plant out what you have, and maybe also plant some more seeds for a second chance?

Your growing conditions are different from mine, but I think okra and eggplant are good things to plant when the weather's already hot? If you don't like those, there may be other heat-loving things you like better.

Tilling may turn up some weed seeds that were dormant in the soil, but perhaps you can enlist other family members to help weed? Weeds are pretty much inevitable if you have a good growing area, so I wouldn't really worry about the tilling- I just mention it in case you're thinking the solarization is a magic bullet to kill all weeds.

Even if nothing seems to go right, remember to think of it all as a learning process rather than a failure. You'll have some veggies do well there, while others may not be as happy- that's true everywhere, but pay attention to what seems to thrive, and find out which related veggies might also like your growing conditions. Almost nobody gets everything right on their first try.

Also, growing certain things- like basil, dill, borage, parsley, marigolds- along with your crops may help them grow better and/or taste better. Check out companion planting. And remember that flowers aren't just pretty- they attract pollinators to help your veggies.

And finally, would a covered gutter help prevent the stagnant water/maple seedling/mosquito situation?

Wishing you all the best with your garden,
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Jun 4, 2018 10:48 AM CST
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Oh my goodness! I love you all for your advice and support... where have you been, all my life (well, just the last four months😊)! I have potted up most things now to half gallon sized containers. Just to keep them alive long enough until I get the garden together. I start back up at my third job in two weeks, so I'm hoping I can bust a move by then!
Because, I'll get real busy soon enough.

I like the last post by Virginia. Thank you. <--Everything for the sake of learning! That is the goal! But a few successes will certainly be nice...

I'm hoping the soil solarization actually did something. It's been in the high eighties/ nineties for at least three weeks straight. I'm thinking the soil beneath got quite zapped from that long term heat. Hoping for the best. But your recommendation is NOT to till it back up?

Oh dear. The choices.

I'll get you all pics today! I'll be out there for a while.

It's a bright sun-shiny day, today!
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Jun 4, 2018 2:38 PM CST
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Happy green corn.

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Unhappy corn. This isn't the worst one, but it shows the yellow and brown leaves at the bottom. The rest looks ok. I didn't know to leave well enough alone and removed some of the yuk before you nice
people told me not to! Oops!

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Peas. Yellowing leaves at the bottom. I removed some already yesterday. Again, sorry smart-gardeners!

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My saddest tragedy of all. My favorite- green beans. Looking even more sad today. The yellowing leaves yesterday were removed. Today- I have some brown, dry, wrinkly leaves in my green bean plants.... nooooooo......
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The cantaloupe is looking spotty... maybe a fungus? Is this a definite loss?
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The last is watermelon. It has a brown spot on the leaves. Uh oh. Is this the end?

That's all the pics I had time for. Working on getting this garden and soil put together for planting day, Thursday!!!

Let me know what you think I need to toss, if anything.

Thanks, again all you brilliant gardening brothers and sisters!

Oh yes, someone asked me already... I do have drainage holes in all of the containers.
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Jun 4, 2018 2:45 PM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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When were you planing to decant these plants into the garden?

They can't grow any larger in those cups.

My plants get started in gallon nursery pots, and even those larger containers leave the plants looking stunted until I get them set out in the ground.

I'd plant what you have, and start more seeds.

I plant additional seeds every couple weeks right up through August and even September... plenty of time, even in Ohio.
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Jun 4, 2018 3:27 PM CST
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I'm potting up the styrofoam today to half gallon sized pots. If I'm lucky, Thursday is planting day for the garden. And I am planting seeds all summer and fall as well.

I just planted corn two weeks ago. Had no idea it would grow so quickly!
Thanks for reply.
I'm headed back outside again!
Jun 5, 2018 7:37 AM CST
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
Not if your planting them out, this Thursday. Double shock. D'Oh! D'Oh!

Better to spend your time getting garden ready πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜€.

Those cups are fine to start your seedlings. Of coarse, um πŸ€”!!! A few, look like you were chenncy on the soil. Was there a potting soil shortage ? Fill them cups up better, next time πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜€.

Pictures. Yes. Good to have !πŸ‘πŸ‘
Cut dead stuff off. Usually it's OK, unless you suspect a disease, then take a picture first, to send to us, then chop-em off. πŸ‘πŸ‘
Especially that one green bean leaf, just in case it's not just sunburn.

From what I see πŸ•΅οΈ?
Yellowish leaves, could be to much or to little water. It also could be a little sunburn, from to fast exposure to direct sunlight.

But, lucky you πŸ˜€ ! The new growth is nice and green πŸ‘, BUT ! Don't go cutting those yellowish leaves off now, ya-hear ! There still working for the plant.

Now ?πŸ€”??? To get all three bases loaded ! JTCMR, that's : (Just to cover my rear.)
You do know to plant your corn in blocks, Right ? Good. πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜€ !

Now your ready for a home run garden. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
Now :
Knock Em All Home, Girl.
Ta ta tee tee
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Jun 5, 2018 8:09 AM CST
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Thanks Philip! What a great boost! I was getting a little down yesterday when I saw my green beans, but it did appear to be sun burn to me as well.

They are all going in a location with full sun from about 9am until 7pm. Is that ok? And guy guess what? I re potted. Except the corn. Uuuuhhhhh... oops again.

The area is tilled up for the most part. Maybe one more day of that. I found a ton of grubs still in there after I thought I was frying them up with the soil solarization thing. They must have lovedit, b.c. they are humongous now! I'm very scared of what damage they will do. But I must continue on.

Any suggestions about grubs? I purchased nematodes through home depot 2years ago and they were delivered in a hot package. I suspected all was lost, but we tried it anyways. No luck at all. They weren't effective. But my thinking is that they were already toast before delivery.

Thanks to all my new green friends!
Dana Thank You!
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Jun 5, 2018 8:40 AM CST
Name: Mindi Hammerstone
Tracy, CA (Zone 9b)
Dog Lover Dragonflies
If you send in a picture of the grubs, someone may be able to ID them for you and help you out with them!



My moms name is also Dana, good name πŸ˜€
Jun 5, 2018 10:48 AM CST
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
Dana Lynn πŸ˜€ :
You just made my day !😘!
When you said :
"I done re-potted them. Except the Uuuuhhh ? Corn. D'Oh! "
Your to much.πŸ˜€ Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

You re-potted, that's probably good, since it will give you some time to break them into direct sun. That's :
A couple days in bright outdoor lite. Then a couple days of a couple hours of early morning direct sun. Etc.
Get it ? Got it ? GOOD ? πŸ‘πŸ˜Ž

I live in town. Lots of cut worms, pill and sow bugs, earwigs, snails, and slugs, yuck Angry .
After I direct sow seeds. I always sprinkle a bit of bug-b-gone granules, and slug/snail bait on top of seeds, just ownce.
I'll do the same for very small seedlings.
Regular size seedlings, I don't need to, unless something chews on them overnight.
Dirty o'l, nite time bugs. Urr !

Sorry 😟, but I have no experience with beneficial nematodes.

But ! If you have problems with those dirty o'l root-knot nematodes ?
Hears what my dad told me to do.
Put one tablespoon of white sugar in hole, when you plant to take care of them !
It sounds like an old wife's tail ???
BUT, NOPE ! It really works. Hurray!

Now get that garden ready, and quit horse-in-around, like I've been doing. Rolling on the floor laughing

Ttfn πŸ˜€
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