Sempervivum forum: Surgical procedure for a blooming rosette.

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Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 6, 2018 1:46 PM CST
Help!!

One of my semps that is a single rosette has decided it wants to bloom. And it has zero offsets. Sighing!

I know we talked about this before. Where should I whack it off and what kind of exposure and treatment should I give it after said whacking? Thank You!

Per Lynn's request, here are photos of said plant.

Before Whacking!
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After Whacking!
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After Whacking from Above!
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Name: Pictish1
Land of Picts, U.K (Zone 7a)
Pictish1
Jun 6, 2018 3:40 PM CST
Hi Melissa,

I tried this with my only 2 plants of 'Tristesse' a couple of weeks ago (as you know). I had a look yesterday and there is 'something' happening. As I have two identical plants, I have one outside in full sun with all my others. And the other I have keep slightly shaded and it has had 2 good liquid feeds of high nitrogen to try to stimulate growth.

Too early to tell yet but something is growing. I cut mine as low as I dared - about 3 rings of leaves above the base? I believe if you don't cut low enough it will just cause new flower buds to form.

Good luck!
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 6, 2018 4:52 PM CST
Thanks Pic! I am going to give it a shot. What do I have to lose? The darn thing is gonna bloom and croak no matter what I do to it. I just wanna make it pup first!
Name: Mark McDonough
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AntMan01
Jun 6, 2018 4:56 PM CST
Pictish, on which 'Tristesse' is something happening, the one in the sun or the one in the shade? I did surgery on my giant 'Raspberry Ice, guessed at leaving 3 rings of leaves, and put it in part shade as has been recommended (my instinct tells me to leave it in sun), so far no signs of anything "happening" yet, although it hasn't been long since the surgery. Do let us know if you have some confirmed results Smiling
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 6, 2018 5:52 PM CST

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I split this into a new thread just for photos and information on the surgical procedure for a blooming rosette.
Melissa, can you take before surgery and after surgery photos and add them to your first post?
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 6, 2018 6:41 PM CST
MelissaHopper said:... Where should I whack it off and what kind of exposure and treatment should I give it after said whacking?


I forgot to photograph the point at which I cut off the stalk. And I can't tell you anything too general regarding how and what kind of exposure and treatment but here's my experience:

webesemps said:Hiya Tim, here's a semp that obviously is blooming but I wanted to show you where I cut which was right where the bloom stem starts after a good set of regular leaves. I left a smidgen of stem where I thought the offsets would form but there are exceptions....
Thumb of 2016-05-13/webesemps/718e51 Thumb of 2016-05-13/webesemps/cb94db

Here's when I caught the bloom stalk in an earlier stage than the above and you can see after cutting the stalk the progression of the offsets to come:

Sept:
Thumb of 2016-05-13/webesemps/b47c55

Oct
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Nov
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 6, 2018 8:21 PM CST

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Hurray! Thumbs up
Great photos Bev.
Name: Mark McDonough
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AntMan01
Jun 7, 2018 9:37 AM CST
Very informative thread, and Bev, excellent progress photos, I took note that you left a smidgen of stem, that might be advisable. Returning to my example with 'Raspberry Ice', wish that I had left a stub of stem at the top.

Regardless, I took a close look at my surgical patient today, hasn't been all that long since surgery (merely 10 days ago), and lo and behold, there are the tiniest growth points showing up at the incision level, and under the top low of leaves. Only the size of pin-pricks at the moment, but I'm very happy to see them nonetheless. That gives me courage to try the procedure on two other large single rosettes that I'm apt to lose otherwise.

'Raspberry Ice' growth points at the incision point of stem, close-up view on right.
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'Raspberry Ice', lifting up top leaves I find each has tiny growth points showing, here's one. Lifting up a leaf I broke one leaf off, oh well, at least I know they're starting.
Thumb of 2018-06-07/AntMan01/a40dd8

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2018 9:45 AM CST

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Hurray! There is still hope. Watch the new growth for any signs of coning on the offsets and remove them.
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 7, 2018 3:22 PM CST
I have added photos to my original post and will be keeping a sharp eye on this one to see if anything happens.

I also noticed that my Aglow is going to totally bloom out without producing a baby. I got this one last summer from a local nursery and it was a very mature plant. Let that be a lesson to me. The nice, big, pretty ones are the ones that bloom out on you. I am going to go ahead and let it bloom and enter it in our local county fair. It should make a nice display.
Name: Mark McDonough
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AntMan01
Jun 7, 2018 4:00 PM CST
Melissa, I looked at your update, and I can see the label in the third photo that it is Semp 'Happy'. Good surgery done there, but I suspect your plant is not 'Happy'...hmm, let me phrase that another way, I believe it is a NOID. My 'Happy' from Perennial Obsessions looks very different.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2018 5:56 PM CST

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The first photo looks like a somewhat etiolated 'Happy'.

I just looked at PO site and theirs looks correct also. https://perennialobsessions.co...
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 7, 2018 7:59 PM CST
We need JoAnn (Ricos) to chime in on this one. I got my Happy from her at Kevin's clinic back in April.
Name: Chad
Oklahoma (Zone 7b)
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chadu82
Jun 7, 2018 9:15 PM CST
Some of my work from today.

Before
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After
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Before
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After
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Before
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After
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Name: Mark McDonough
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AntMan01
Jun 7, 2018 9:24 PM CST
Chad, you had a tough day in surgery! If I had 'Aymon Correvon' flowering, I'd eagerly use it for hybridization Smiling What cultivar is the first one? Very neat looking amputation, may your semp hospital patients be fruitful and make chicks.

For those who post here, let's show follow ups with any positive results. Smiling
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Name: Chad
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chadu82
Jun 7, 2018 9:39 PM CST
@AntMan01, I'm not sure what that first one is. I seemed to have lost the label over time. I could probably go back and check my notes to see because I'm almost 100% sure it's one I got from Greg.
I'm also glad I got 2 more Aymon because it's one I was excited to purchase from Youngs when they listed it.
I haven't had much luck in the past when I tried to stop mine from flowering and trying to get some new offsets but I'm glad to say I haven't had a whole lot flower since I've been doing this. Probably somewhere between 5 and 10 total.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2018 9:46 PM CST

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Nice work Chad.
Name: Chad
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chadu82
Jun 7, 2018 10:55 PM CST
@AntMan01, I believe that one in the picture you asked about is Strider. When I looked at my old orders, that's what it needs to be marked but for some reason, I didn't keep the label with it or I got sidetracked in the process. D'Oh!

Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Strider')
Name: Pictish1
Land of Picts, U.K (Zone 7a)
Pictish1
Jun 8, 2018 3:36 AM CST
Here is my update of my severed 'Tristesse'

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Not much to see (it's better if you click on the photo) but there are signs of growth at about 2 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions. Crossing Fingers! Here is what it looked like just after cutting.

Thumb of 2018-06-08/Pictish1/816f2c

The plant is obviously doing 'something' - maybe the leaves have covered over the cut stem to protect the new rosettes? Nature has a way of looking after things.

Antman - both plants look the same (remember I have two identical plants), both have tiny buds, no sign of the sun/shade/high N differences making any errr.... difference!

Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 8, 2018 12:46 PM CST
Those are all looking good! I have gotten to the point where I let the plant get a bit of stalk, then use my fingers and twist the top off, it seems to work fine...I've had so many about to bloom it is a bit surprising!! Anyway I'll post updates as they occur! Thumbs up
Chad your Strider looks like a correct plant - which means you didn't get it from me! It looks nice though and your surgery will probably work! Hurray!

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