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Name: David
Lucketts, Va (Zone 7a)
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greenthumb99
Jun 10, 2018 6:19 AM CST
Does anyone recognize this rather distinctive Iris? Thanks for any help.
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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Jun 10, 2018 10:09 AM CST
David ~ Welcome! to the Iris forum.

I don't know what it is, but someone with more experience in historic irises may know.

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Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
Jun 10, 2018 8:16 PM CST
A "possible" *might* be "Fairy Queen".....although there were several irises frm this same era that are very similar:
this is a link to Fritz' site page, that shows Fairy Queen":
http://irisparadise.com/Iris/S...
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
Jun 10, 2018 8:17 PM CST
The link didn't take me where I wanted to go, but....go to English Breeders....and then John Salter
Name: David
Lucketts, Va (Zone 7a)
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greenthumb99
Jun 11, 2018 2:12 AM CST
Thank you crowrital, 'Fairy Queen' looks good to me. I really appreciate your help.
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jun 11, 2018 8:46 AM CST

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Please don't add pictures to the database based on what an iris might be.
Name: David
Lucketts, Va (Zone 7a)
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greenthumb99
Jun 11, 2018 9:13 AM CST
Compare these photos:
1) My photo
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2) Photo from reference site


Even the veining is a match. Short of a DNA workup, what would br sufficient?
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Jun 11, 2018 9:34 AM CST

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As Arlyn said, there are several irises that look similar. Here is just one example:


Now, personally, I think your iris looks more like 'Fairy Queen' than 'Mrs. Horace Darwin'. But, that doesn't mean it IS (either one). Generally, the way people attempt to verify the identity of an unknown iris is to acquire a rhizome of a potential match from a reliable source and grow the two plants next to each other to see if they really are identical. More often than not, a picture of the flower by itself isn't enough to confirm the ID.
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
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grannysgarden
Jun 11, 2018 9:34 AM CST
David you will need to acquire the iris that you think is a match and grow it near your unidentified one to make sure color, height, time of bloom, PBF (purple based foliage) if any match, etc.... Once they both bloom at the same time dissect a bloom from each one to make sure they are identical. Then you will have a match. I know this sounds involved but it is very important not to ID an iris on what it looks like it is. Good luck.




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Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
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grannysgarden
Jun 11, 2018 9:35 AM CST
Cross posted with Kent. Thumbs up
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Name: David
Lucketts, Va (Zone 7a)
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greenthumb99
Jun 11, 2018 10:39 AM CST
I uploaded the photo from the reference site and I'll have my photo removed from the plant file.
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Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
Jun 11, 2018 2:54 PM CST
Getting an "exact match" to put a name on an iris is a very tricky thing to do ! As was stated above, without growing a "known example "(if one can be found !) next to it, in the same soil and climatic conditions....and then doing a REAL close examination of both plants (usually a "dissection " to compare every part of the bloom)the best you can hope for is a "probably". I applaud Kent's efforts to keep the data base as accurate as possible. We have reached the point where there are so many "wrong iris" out there in "irisville" that finding a "true one" is pretty hard to do. Most data bases...if you look at all the pix of certain cultivars....are likely to show several DIFFERENT irises, under the same name!
While , for most of us that have the :iris virus", a "Named Plant" is a great thing to have, and, "putting a name TO a plant can be a fun...an educational thing to do....we have to ask ourselves if a "name" is REALLY necessary ! If we can't be at least 99% sure of ID, I think (IMHO) that we need to call it a "noid", and enjoy it that way ! I've acquired a LOT of irises, over the years....from all kinds of sources , private gardens, iris buddies, vendors, hybridizers...you name it....and the number of "noid" irises that I have amassed I staggering ! We can't do anything but our "best shot" when it comes to sending the "correct" iris....mistakes are easy to make....you can drop one, put it in the wrong pile, forget to mark it, let the clumps grow together, dig the WRONG clump, etc., etc. But we CAN be vigilant in not naming something without all the "due process " of ID groundwork. All these irises we grow , (again, IMHO) aren't REALLY ours! We're just keeping them going for the gardeners that are yet to be born! So, if they HAVE a name, we need to do our best not to LOSE it, and, if they DON'T have a name, they need passed on as "maybe's", or "probables", or "noids'...so we don't muddy the water for those 'future irisarians". I tip my hat to you.
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
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grannysgarden
Jun 11, 2018 3:26 PM CST
Wise words, Arlyn. Thank you. Smiling
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iciris
Jun 11, 2018 5:22 PM CST
I agree
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Australis
Jun 11, 2018 7:49 PM CST

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greenthumb99 said:I uploaded the photo from the reference site and I'll have my photo removed from the plant file.


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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Jun 11, 2018 7:56 PM CST
grannysgarden said:Wise words, Arlyn. Thank you. Smiling


I agree
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