Plant ID forum: tall weed w dark single stem and slender leaves

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 18, 2018 6:07 PM CST
Similar to goldenrod in size and shape ( also present in the group photo, I believe ), but darker main stem, and additional small heads growing from leaf bases.
( unfortunately can't find any good photos focused on it flowering from last years )
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Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Jun 18, 2018 6:18 PM CST
What color were the flowers?
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 18, 2018 6:28 PM CST
What color were the flowers - unfortunately, I don't recall.. may have been inconspicuous.
I flipped through last year's photos, but nothing clear found ( it was hella hectic for me ).

Now I'm making a project of identifying all plants + cleaning up / pruning / moving..
I feel so much better when I know what the plant is all about, vs just "not sure - kill it..", even weeds.
Identified a number already ( incl a few from this very ID forum ), but I have a number of mystery ones left, of which this is one.

I was hoping someone might recognize it without waiting for the fall..

p.s. Thanks for the welcome !
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Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Jun 18, 2018 8:00 PM CST
Possibly: https://garden.org/plants/sear...
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 19, 2018 5:48 AM CST
Thanks, this doesn't look like it - leaf node / sub-head is different, and flowers weren't anything so fancy, whatever they were if any ( I would've noticed them more otherwise )
If this proves insufficient to identify, I'll maybe leave this for later / dig up and examine root structure / wait for flowers..
:)
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 19, 2018 5:56 AM CST
I'm not contributing anything useful here, but I have this plant growing as a weed here and coincidentally I was just wondering the other day what it is. I see it often but I probably pull it out before it flowers. In the back of my mind I keep thinking aster of some kind but that might be way off. I have a weeds of Ontario book and will go through it later and post back if I find anything, unless someone here IDs it first.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 19, 2018 6:07 AM CST
@sooby - indeed.. that was my attitude last year - I had 3 similarly shaped " tall weed with radial leaves " hanging around, I pulled out some in places, kept others..
One turned out to be goldenrod, the other some purple aster, and there's this..
Hopefully we'll shed some light on this eventually :)
What is this, amazon rainforest or a backyard.. :)
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 19, 2018 7:46 AM CST
I keep going back to this one, but I'm far from certain. I guess I won't pull mine and wait until it flowers.

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 19, 2018 7:54 AM CST
You know, some of those images are looking pretty good.. stem coloration, leaf shape, extra branching heads..
Flowers don't strike me as wrong, might've seen this subtle blueish / purpleish.
Hopefully it flowers soon to be sure.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 19, 2018 10:23 AM CST
I *may* have found it flowering from fall - (1) 2016 Sep 17 and (2) 2017 Sep 28
It's either this, or another smaller and greener but structurally identical plant on that spot, that is clearly a sibling.
Incidentally, now that I look closer, there is also some similarity to the velvety purple-flowered aster ( seen flowering in (2) ) in those leaves + branching heads.
(1) is the top of the plant - tipped over - it was about 4-5ft tall by the end.

p.s. Sorry about poor photos - these are cropped out of wider ones from a distance..
p.p.s. We'll probably be out of luck waiting for these any time soon this year due to late spring and all development delayed..

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Zone 6a)
ssph
Jun 19, 2018 2:26 PM CST
The more I think of it, the more it looks like a match for purple stem aster.
So I'm going to tentatively assume it's that, and consider it identified, to tie this off for the time being and leave room for other identifications.
( unless something comes up to the contrary )
I'll keep a population of this, and I'll make sure to document all of its stages in detail unless things get too crazy, and maybe contribute some pics to the entry once it's positively confirmed.
( I'll need to make some room for it - goldenrod is taking over everything, really being a pest - those rhizomes + seeds.. I'll keep it too but limit to an area.. I was manhandling those dried up plants with seeds all over the place, and they're all sprouting up all over the place, goldenrod most of all, but various such asters too )

Thanks for your help everyone - all the group effort to gradually narrow it down !
( now I know it's an aster and I rediscovered what it looks like and when, and it's probable name, so it acquired a lot more meaning at this less obvious stage )

Group hug Hurray! Thank You!

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