Plant ID forum: Identify old bush on an old homestead

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Name: rosewater84
South Texas (Zone 9a)
rosewater84
Jun 22, 2018 11:12 AM CST
My sister lives near Corsicana, Texas on a piece of land that used to have an old house 75+ years old. There is a gigantic bush that was probably planted on the homestead long ago. I have looked and looked but can't find it anywhere. It is deciduous and blooms all summer. The flowers have no smell and I didn't notice any pollinators interested in them except a wasp or two. Seems like I have seen this at an old family house in Oklahoma when I was a little girl. Please help me identify it.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2018 12:06 PM CST
Very pretty! It looks like Camellia of some type; possibly Camellia japonica but I'n not sure. We have lots listed in the database with photos: https://garden.org/plants/sear...
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Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 22, 2018 8:41 PM CST
I might be way off base here. Going out on a limb, literally Big Grin
It looks like an ornamental pomegranate tree. But I have only seen orange blooms on them. It will never produce fruit just flowers. They can also be pruned and trained to look like crape myrtles. The amount of pruning it would take might halt its blooming for a year or two. I would try and root any cuttings because they are really neat small garden trees usually topping out at around 7 to 8 feet.

If I am wrong you can disregard this. nodding

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Name: greene
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greene
Jun 22, 2018 8:49 PM CST
I waited a while. I wanted to say it looked like a Camellia but it's the wrong time of year for any type of Camellia to be blooming profusely. I have no idea what it really is but only know that it is a keeper!
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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 22, 2018 9:01 PM CST
I did not find any in our data base but it would be considered an "ornamental"punica granatum and would also be considered a double white flower variety.

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Edited to add ornamental
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Name: Lin
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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plantladylin
Jun 23, 2018 8:14 AM CST
I think @Altheabyanothername is on the right track with Pomegranate. Thumbs up

Although we currently have no photos in our database, Pomegranate (Punica granatum 'Shirobotan') is said to have double, white blooms.

I also found one listed at Top Tropicals with the name of 'Flore Plena Alba' that is said to have double white blooms: https://toptropicals.com/catal...

@greene, Yes, I overlooked the bloom time in rosewater84's post. *Blush* If it blooms all summer long, it's definitely not a Camellia.
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Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 23, 2018 9:00 AM CST
@plantladylin that bloom is very double and nicely formed. Not all ornamental pomegranate blooms look that full and nice. I see that the whites have a taller height range than the orange and that is evident by the first picture.

Not being an expert, but I am pretty sure this is an ornamental pomegranate,
a rare fruit or two usually is not any good.

I do not have thorns on my ornamental orange or on the few I have seen. I do not know their cultivar names but they are all old trees. I have been reading about thorns. Wish there were intro dates, too. That would help eliminate.

@rosewater84 Does this have thorns? Might help with cultivar identity.

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Name: rosewater84
South Texas (Zone 9a)
rosewater84
Jun 23, 2018 9:12 AM CST
No thorns, and is it too far north to be a pomegranate? They are zone 7-8 and can get pretty cold in the winter. My sister has never done a thing to it and there can be 100+ degree days with no rain for weeks. Also it is in a place that has other trees so it has some shade too. It is multi-trunked
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 23, 2018 9:34 AM CST
I am further north than your sister, Fort Worth and Grapevine area. I have an old tree with orange flowers. Gave my daughter one I made from cuttings years ago from a different tree. Three neighbors have had old trees without any problem. My ornamental pomegranate tree is rare, this one would be, too. That is why I also suggested cuttings. As a bush form mine would hide mosquitos. The first two times I ever saw one they looked like multi trunk crape myrtles. So I keep trimming mine towards that. No mosquitos now. I did notice trimming impedes flowering. Might be old wood vs new wood thing. It does take some bottom trimming every year, but it is so worth it.
I am going to try and get some new cuttings going on my double orange. Down the road if you would like to swap colors let me know.

I think it was Neil Sperry who said it is almost impossible to find these in a nursery.

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Name: rosewater84
South Texas (Zone 9a)
rosewater84
Jun 23, 2018 11:10 AM CST
Would love to do that @altheabyanothername, I am so excited to ID the tree. My sister and I both remember a tree like this at a great uncles house in Oklahoma City, a very strong memory as little girls. Hope we have solved the mystery! Hurray!
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islander
Jun 23, 2018 8:54 PM CST
I agree with Pomegranate. I've added an unopened flower for comparison.
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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 23, 2018 9:21 PM CST
I have had no luck in narrowing down. Although I said white, I have seen old references to yellow. Your sister's tree could fall under the umbrella of either color. The 3 or 4 original orange trees I know of were in all probability planted pre-1960. I suspect your tree is the same. Very odd that all of these older trees are thornless. I suspect that they were not widely sold and because it was so long ago we may never know the exact cultivar. I just refer to mine as a double-flower ornamental pomegranate tree.

Thank You! islander for the picture!

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islander
Jun 23, 2018 9:31 PM CST
I suspect this might be a long lost cultivar from a long time ago. I don't have a copy of Hortus to see what it lists for cultivars in white/yellow. Might be of interest for a botanical garden.
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Name: rosewater84
South Texas (Zone 9a)
rosewater84
Jun 23, 2018 10:42 PM CST
I think we will call this solved. I have been reading about ornamental pomegranate, and it sounds like the climate is perfect for it. May be a little too humid for it down here on the coast but I am going to give it a go. I have some very dry powdery soil that it may do well in. She must have amazing soil, you should see her gigantic fig tree and thornless blackberries. I will get in touch with you @altheabyanothername and we can trade colors! Thanks to everyone for your help!
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