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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jul 7, 2018 6:50 PM CST
Lola, the muted colours will just blend together. What will give continuity is the fact that all the colours as shown belong to the pastel muted type colouring. However once grown and blooming each will show out their full character in summer sunlight. Then if any are just too strong in your place we can continue with this discussion. I don't worry too much if I have to change places later on. Normally young bushes can withstand transplanting very easily. I look forward seeing your border blooming by New Year. Arturo
Name: Sheila
Rogue Valley (Zone 8a)
SheilaRogueValley
Jul 7, 2018 7:00 PM CST
Zuzu, do you really smoke?
Name: Zuzu
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Jul 7, 2018 7:47 PM CST

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Sheila, yes, I've been smoking for 64 years. At this point, my doctor and I agree that quitting will kill me a lot sooner than smoking will. Big Grin
Name: Sheila
Rogue Valley (Zone 8a)
SheilaRogueValley
Jul 7, 2018 10:45 PM CST
Wow! You are certainly a survivor Zuzu! You are brave to mention it.
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Mustbnuts
Jul 9, 2018 5:07 AM CST
Lola, your pictures look beautiful of all the roses together. Your hedge will be glorious!

Your comment gave me a start. Snowy? Wow! I think we will only get to 105 degrees or so all week long. I did not think Tasmania got snow. Ah...if you wanted to send some of that cold our way, I wouldn't mind. Just a little bit cooler....I could send you some heat from here in exchange.... Smiling The farmers here, however, wouldn't like it one bit. They need the heat for their wine grapes, raisins, figs and stone fruit to grow. How is the lambing going? Did your holdouts finally give birth?

I do have to tell you that I am in the process of renovating one of my bathrooms. Saturday night about 10 pm, my dining room light decided to fall from the ceiling. It is hanging on by a thread (wire to be exact) while I have it propped up on my dining room table with my dining room chairs, boxes, crates, etc., until an electrician can get out here and see what is going on (if the joist cracked or just the electrical box did--which is half hanging out of my ceiling). I just heard my house creak again and it gives me a start each time. Ugh! Breathe...breathe...breathe...
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 9, 2018 6:59 AM CST
Sunday was a horror of a day here weather-wise. It had snowed overnight and was quite windy in the morning but I had to cater a function for 120 people at our local community hall so I couldn't stay home to look after the lambs. The lights flickered in the hall several times as the wind picked up and we finally lost power altogether just after we had served dessert. When someone opened the back door to check the fuse-box the door flew off it's hinges. There were trees coming down all over the district and roads were blocked. We decided to leave the mess until this morning because we didn't even have water to wash up with as it all relies on electric pumps. We were lucky to leave while it was still daylight because we had to move trees and branches off the roads to get home. All the sheep and lambs stayed in the shelter of the trees even though there were branches falling everywhere. Everyone survived and the power came back on at 9:30pm. Most of the island had been without power.

I still have one ewe who hasn't popped. I will have to do the lamb marking in batches because they have to be at least 2 weeks old to do them, but if they are too big I can't get the elastrator (device for putting rubber bands on tails and testicles) over them.

I have been reading about the heatwave in north America and Europe and it sounds terrible. When I used to work in Sydney I once came out of my air-conditioned workplace at 9pm and it was still 113F outside. I don't mind snow a couple of times a year if it means I don't have to put up with such ridiculous heat.

Lights dangling out of the ceiling sounds scary. I hope your electrician makes it there before it snaps any wires and becomes even more of a danger. Lola.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 9, 2018 7:12 AM CST
These photos were taken this morning from the kitchen window. In one of them you can see trees that were blown over in the foreground and snow on the mountains in the background. One is a little blurry because the window was dirty and I refused to go outside to take a better shot.
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Name: Porkpal
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Jul 9, 2018 7:59 AM CST
What a day! However, your pictures are still beautiful.
Porkpal
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Mustbnuts
Jul 9, 2018 8:14 AM CST
Oh, thank goodness you are OK. Hopefully everyone got home safe. Wow! What an ordeal. Hopefully the weather is better now and going back to clean up won't be too much of a hassle getting to and from.

I have to tell you I just love looking at pictures of your farm/ranch and your beautiful country. Simply gorgeous! I need to learn more about Tasmania. One of the people on the rose board (from Australia) had her daughter spend 6 weeks (or was it 3 months?) hiking through Tasmania. She loved it.

At first I thought when I saw the second picture that you had large rocks on your property until I saw that they were sheep! Ah, I go to the eye MD soon! I do have to ask if you keep any of the males lambs for breeding and therefore don't castrate them, or do you use other rancher's male sheep (or frozen sperm for that matter) for that task? I went to an agricultural college here in the US and they used "other methods of castration" at the time. Sorry if this makes anybody uncomfortable. I just love learning about things I don't see every day.

Thank you again for posting the pictures. You live in an incredibly beautiful country. I love seeing it through your posts.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 9, 2018 8:53 AM CST
My neighbour lets me have his oldest ram so if it accidently gets into his place he will know the bloodline of any resulting lambs. When a ram dies it gets replaced by another old one. My place is like a retirement home for them. There is no need for artificial insemination here unless it is for specific breeding purposes. We have never had a barren ewe but we do have two wethers that we kept because they were hand reared. I can't send them off to slaughter if they have a name so those two are the only non-producers we have.

We are no longer permitted to castrate the old way because they say it is cruel. I think the elastrator is worse but I do as I'm told. Tails now have to be four joints long so they cover the anus but that sometimes defeats the purpose of taking them off because there are still dags hanging off to attract flies. If I misjudge it and the tail is too long I am inviting flies. I lost one hand reared lamb to flystrike because he was born a bit bent and the wrinkle in his skin at the fold sweated and attracted them.

The sunset tonight was lovely so I will include a snapshot of it. The other photo is of a rainbow this morning that landed on a neighbours farm. All the buildings on that property are historic and were convict built. I am lucky to be surrounded by historic houses, drystone walls, and hedges.
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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 9, 2018 10:33 AM CST
LolaTasmania said:These photos were taken this morning from the kitchen window. In one of them you can see trees that were blown over in the foreground and snow on the mountains in the background.
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Are those snowcovered mountains on the south side of the house window? Are they the central mountain range?
We are having a normal cold and snowy winter here too. There's still some snowstanding in the shaded areas. More snow is expected towards the end of the week. Our paddock is green like yours with water puddles everywhere from snow melt. Thank God our sheep have a barn where to get shelter. Also our breed doesn't need docking since their tails are almost pure short hair. We've had some ranchers around looking out for our yearling males because they sire twice sized lambs 8 months old. East Friesians are even larger than Lincolns, so their lambs are huge. We don't castrate our lambs because full grown yearlings are excellent beef, still very tender. As I understand you grow halfbreds lambs for the butcher. Thus your need for twins. Smiling I don't know if anyone there keeps East Friesians or other milch breeds there. Like your place this is sheep country in excellence with mainly wool breeds such as Merino, and your Merino Australiano. Recently because of dropping prices in wool, the option of halfbreeding provides ranchers an alternative revenue: meat. My very small farm provides us with very much appreciated dairy products instead and ocasionally some meat. I've yet to learn how to use the rather thick wool, good for knitting or carpet weaving, unfortunately lost traditional family crafts, that my grandma used to perform in her ancestral town in Merzifon, north central Anatolia. Men were not considered worthy of learning those crafts... Smiling Like you I just don't know about washing or spinning wool yet... Smiling I seem to want to garden roses more at this stage of life. Arturo
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 9, 2018 4:08 PM CST
Hi Artruro. The mountains are the Great Western Tiers and they start just outside my window to the west and finish nearly at the south end of Tasmania. If Tasmania was still attached to the Australian mainland they would probably be a continuation of the Great Dividing Range that runs down the east coast and divides the coastal areas from the fertile valleys to the west.

There are so many breeds of sheep we don't have here because it costs so much to import new breeds and set up a breeding plan. Quarantine inspections can be very costly and time consuming and in the end the breed may not be suitable for the climate. I am thinking of changing to Wiltipolls that shed their wool and don't have horns. I can still breed them with my rams because the lambs will be going for meat. It will mean I don't have to shear which would be great. The problem is I love all my ewes so I can't send them away and will have to wait until they die a natural death before replacing them, so this must now be a long term plan. I love my girls and they know their names so they come when called. There is a farm not very far from here that has Lincolns. We call then 'riding sheep' because of their size and sturdiness.

We sometimes keep a lamb for our own consumption, usually because we failed to get both testicles in the band and the resulting ram causes trouble before he can be sent to market. Our mistakes sometimes feed us for a year. I think I will have to do some more research on the different breeds. When I travel I see so many beautiful animals and it gives me the urge to try exotic breeds of sheep. I will have to see if artificial insemination and IVF has made more breeds available here. Lola.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jul 9, 2018 4:51 PM CST
Hi Lola, I just found an old thread of mine here:
The thread "Keeping milch sheep" in Farming forum Further down there are some pics of my sheep. Both sexes are polled so that's one other issue less!
Look what I just found already right in Tasmania...!( close at least in my imagination:)
http://www.grandvewedairysheep...
I also found this other link from mainland Australia.
https://www.agrifutures.com.au...
Chudleigh's is part of the potential area for that industry.
Of course I'm so attached to my ewes like you that I find great pleasure in milking them by hand. I do the yoghurt making and other cheese manufacturing and the produce is sold as a very exclusive ethnic food...something that was passed on in my family. Now they are dry so milking is reduced to a maximum of 8 months from October 1st until mid April. This gives my current winter season a rest from these chores.
From what I've read others have already asked the same question there!. I thought that you might then reconsider your ideas about local availability.
Arturo
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 9, 2018 6:11 PM CST
Your sheep are gorgeous, Arturo. I love the fact that there is no wool on the face. Some of mine have very woolly faces and I have to get creative when trimming them so they can see. Sometimes they end up looking like Moe from the Three Stooges with a bowl cut hairdo. Out shearer is also creative and shears his own alpacas in a way that makes them look like they are wearing ugg boots. Lola.
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Mustbnuts
Jul 9, 2018 9:21 PM CST
Arturo, I didn't know that you also raise sheep. Your farm/ranch (I am not sure what to call it) is just beautiful! Love the greenhouses and that you compost as well. As far as milking goes, did you make traditional Italian ricotta with the sheep's milk? It is so difficult to find it here in the states. Manchego is also one of my most favorite sheep milk cheese as is feta and of course, Pecorino Romano. Again, trying to find them made from sheep's milk is tough where I live.
Also, just a FYI, should you ever try to spin or weave, in "olden times" according to my teachers, spinning was traditionally done by the women and weaving was done by the man (usually a traveling weaver that would weave the yarn that the women spun). While I donated my looms to the local spinning and weaver's guild (no space!), I still crochet and donate my items to charity (hats for folks going through chemo, small blankets for mentally ill youth and foster youth). I am proud that every child we served through our mental health department (under age 5) got a blanket for the Christmas holidays last year. They couldn't believe the blanket was theirs (they are mostly very poor and don't have much) and being able to touch it immediately calmed them down and helped them to focus in school, therapy, etc. Needless to say, one of my staff, her mom and I were madly crocheting for weeks and weeks! Their teachers have asked if we could make some for their hyperactive kids as well.
I decided to brave the outside and take a look at my roses and see how fried they are in this heat. I was brave and didn't dress up like a snowman before I went out. I checked my figs to see if any were ripening yet (nope and probably not for another month). Went over to my fountain, cleaned that out and found mosquitoes biting me. After swatting them (killing them) and cleaning the blood away, I came back into the house. They are so vicious this year! They have even been biting though the clothing that I wear. Ugh! Our city officials are so thrilled that Google has released millions of mosquitoes this year (and last year) as an experiment to see if they will breed with sterile females and reduce our population. I have not seen any evidence of that so far. Well, time to put some cream on the latest bites. They are swelling up like balloons already. Unbelievable!
Again, thank you for posting pictures and the links. I loved seeing them and reading what was presented. Learned a lot (which I love).
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jul 10, 2018 3:49 AM CST
@Mustbnuts, Yes we make ricotta...which is sold fresh in season and the rest is frozen and sold frozen off season ( now). I've tried successfully to make Mozzarella. There's a threaded version of that that belongs to my ancestry. Its called Armenian thread cheese. I wouldn't be surprised that having a sizeable Armenian community there it could be found in ethnic stores. I've yet to get the secrets of it figured out. It is served dotted with black Nigella seeds as a appetizer. All middle Eastern cuisines have a large set of recipes for before main course. It is called mezze, and is served while women finish up preparing the main meal and it is served to the guests on a coffee table whetting appetites... Smiling I also have developed a blue cheese and a Parmesano type as well. Cheese making is quite fascinating!
I studied agriculture in Buenos Aires national U. I admire in that sense UC Davis which is from what you said where you studied ( at least I infered that). Davis and Cornell are the main universities that have worldwide prestige in that field. I never visited Davis, although I've been to California a couple of times years back. During my grad student years I lived on the east coast based in NY state and NYC.
I would love to hear more about your social work. I genuinely think that gardening restores a huge part of our psychic health. It has some intrinsic qualities to it that is accessible to anyone of any age, race belief or gender. For me, gardening is part of farming and of course has the same therapeutic properties. However not everyone has those chances...for the time being. Smiling
We're in winter now and days are short. I'm potting up my newly arrived roses (quite a few), including Anvil Sparks. They spend the first growing season potted in plastic 5 gallon bags. I use horse manure as their organic feed. I get that free just across my street. I wonder where your relatives settled in Argentina. Just for your information 56% of Argentina's demographics is of Italian ancestry and only 36% of Spanish. Almost twice as much as the next group. So detecting descendants is not that easy. Italians are found everywhere. In my town many are from the Veneto and Friule.
You should have breba figs ready for consuption by now. I also grow figs here but in my greenhouses. I'm trying to grow a few citrus trees as well inside. For the time being I've started with lemons and a tangerine tree. We'll see.
Late summer we get mosquitoes here these last few years! I swell and it itches... Smiling I suppose that thanks to global warming we'll see more of them. Green Grin!
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Jul 10, 2018 3:53 PM CST
Final lamb report.

Total live births 14
Twin births 6
Single births 2
Females 9
Males 4
Deaths Mx1
Total live lambs 13
That is around 70% female and 75% twins. I'll see how my neighbours go and compare results.
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Mustbnuts
Jul 11, 2018 5:39 AM CST
Congrats on your "new" flock! If you get a chance, I would love to see pictures of them as they grow. Hopefully, your weather is improving.
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Mustbnuts
Aug 15, 2018 3:32 PM CST
Lola, I am resurrecting this thread to ask you about your border of roses. In looking at the HMF website, I came across roses that were introduced in 2018. I saw several beautiful roses from an Australian breeder, Warren Millington. His roses are gorgeous and he states that he breeds for health, first. They sell them at Hannemann Nurseries. I don't know if they ship to Tasmania or not. Check them out. They are just beautiful.

Sweet as Honey rose
Raspberry Rapper rose
Plaisir d'Amour rose
Princesse du Ballet rose
Psychedelic
Raspberry Rapper rose (I love this one!)
Morpheus Rose (the edges on the petals make my heart go pitter patter on this one!)
Heart to Heart (this one is a climber but the heart shaped petals are adorable)
Herne the Hunter
Hollywood Dandy (Oh the color on this one!)
Hubba Dubba (love the color on this one too)
Cool as Ice
Abounding in Pink (the flowers start off apricot and then turn to pink!)

Would love to see them here in the states. Beautiful roses!


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