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St Andrews, NB Canada
PoHockeyDad
Jun 27, 2018 7:10 PM CST
Hello All,
I live in St Andrews NB Canada and I have a very strange back yard in that vines and plants of all different types over the years seem to spring up from the back corner of my property. I have a very dangerous invasive vine I keep cleared every year from my big Poplar trees in the corner (The vine is from the orient I was told and yes I yearly patrol my lot and cut down the young Poplars that show up everywhere, fence line, drainage ditch's, side of my home, today I found one coming out from under my shed) I have seven of the biggest Poplars I have ever seen in my back corner. (happy to take a pic of them if you want). Great advice from folks such as yourselves kept this vine from punching through into my attic years ago and trying to choke the big Poplars to death. (They will again if I don't keep an eye out.)
Well I have a new vine this year, I think I remember it starting out last year? but can't be sure. Wow has this thing come on fast this year. I am a live an let live kinda guy when it comes to plants and vines as long as they play nice with each other and my home. My wife loves plants and flowers and is constantly planting around the house and has perennials and seasonal flower boxes so she is wondering also and I am worried about how quick this vine came on this year and is clearly just getting started. (We fight about this as I am running out of yard, we just planted cherry trees last year that are taking off, apple trees in the past, soon I won't be able to run the riding mower lol...)
Sorry, I digress, I like it, it is pretty and is making my back deck and back of the house look good IMHO but I am uncomfortable not knowing what it is and is it safe to let it keep going? I am posting pics that I took this evening. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
(I have to admire how quick this sucker is going. Just for it's spunk I'd like to keep it lol.... Smiling )
Thank you for your time and advice,
Chris

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 27, 2018 8:32 PM CST
Welcome!

Ummm, bad news.... It looks like Japanese Knotweed (Fallopia japonica). Start worrying....
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Frillylily
Jun 27, 2018 8:33 PM CST
you must get rid of this, I don't know what it is but I have had it and it is horrible to get rid of! don't let it get out of hand!
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purpleinopp
Jun 28, 2018 10:27 AM CST
I'm afraid it might be worse than that, if it is this plant:
Black Bindweed (Fallopia convolvulus)

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sooby
Jun 28, 2018 11:34 AM CST
Or Fallopia scandens, which is native. There's a paragraph at the bottom here that helps differentiate similar vines.

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ge1836
Jun 28, 2018 11:45 AM CST
I call this Strangle Vine. It's horrible to get rid of,those heart shaped leaves are a sure sign.
I also have Bindweed, grows in clumps with wide root beds.
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purpleinopp
Jun 28, 2018 12:28 PM CST
TY, Sue! Assuming the description of F. convolvulus being an annual is used in the sense that it's a true annual, it can't be F. convolvulus as I suggested. The pics almost surely show growth from mature, perennial root systems.

That's a good description, Jo Ann!

I doubt it would be possible to mechanically remove this vine from your property without completely destroying it with heavy equipment. Spraying all of the surfaces would require repeatedly using a LOT of spray, a lot of which would not even hit its' target. Another option would be to let the vine tips "drink" RU from a jar. RU is absorbed by actively growing foliage and that causes it to kill the whole plant, when enough can be delivered. Gather as many tips as you can in various locations and stick them in a jar of the strongest RU you can buy, and pay attention to the instructions on the label about temperatures, etc... Repeat as necessary until it's finally all dead. Use foil or stick a plastic bag over the jars to prevent the contents from being diluted by rain. I would probably dig little holes for each one so they would stay upright.

Making as much effort as possible to trim the rest of the growth as often as possible so that as few new seeds as possible are dropped, that would help, but sprouts will probably be coming up for years. As soon as you see them, pull, stomp, scuffle, trim, do whatever you can to try to prevent them from getting established.
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plantmanager
Jun 28, 2018 12:41 PM CST
I agree. I fought this for years and never did get rid of it all. I was able to keep it from strangling my plants, and kept it off the fences.
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ctcarol
Jun 28, 2018 2:31 PM CST
Speaking of RoundUp, we're going to have to get more specific. In this morning's adds I see three different formulas...all with the big RU logo on the jug. One is a "Bug Destroyer", so make sure you read the label, and listed ingredients carefully.
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PoHockeyDad
Jun 28, 2018 2:59 PM CST
I was afraid of that and suspected that was going to be the answer. Sighing!
I will tear it out this weekend and bag it and leave it for the town to take.
One more additional invasive vine/tree/weed to keep an eye on now lol....
Thank you all for your time and knowledge and advice.
Thank You!
Chris
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purpleinopp
Jun 29, 2018 8:07 AM CST
You might make some headway pouring boiling water in places where that is the only thing growing, &/or where nothing else that is worth keeping is growing. Pour it at the roots, slowly enough so that it sinks in as much as possible, not fast enough that it just runs sideways across the soil surface. Any roots near the surface that get burned by it will be killed.
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PoHockeyDad
Jun 29, 2018 5:38 PM CST
Thank you for the hot water advice. My lovely bride is not a fan of RU but I am not against using it.
OK, crazy thought. We have nothing growing along the back deck edge as seen on the pictures and along the back of the house.
My wife and I were talking (this may sound crazy but please hear us out) that could we not just let it grow there and control it? as it is not particularly un-attractive and there is nothing there for it to choke off? Are we nuts for even considering this?
Is this vine something that I will not be able to control eventually? I keep that back corner invasive nasty Asian vine under control every spring.
I am on vacation right now so now is the time to ask and get a plan in place.
Again, much thanks for all your thoughts and advice.
Chris

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DaisyI
Jun 29, 2018 5:43 PM CST
With diligence, you can control any plant. Its not as though its going to strangle the house while you are sleeping. There are a lot of vines that will get away if you don't watch them: Wisteria, Trumpet Vine, grapes...
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Jun 29, 2018 5:45 PM CST
Go for it, if you're willing to work to keep it in check. They are pretty!
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purpleinopp
Jun 30, 2018 6:50 AM CST
Happy to suggest. Boiling water does not get enough credit for being able to kill unwanted plants.

I don't think you can keep this vine in check. It will spread underground and pop up 5, 10, 50 feet away from the original growth.

I don't believe that all plants can be controlled. If diligence was all that is needed to kill some plants, I would have been successful killing a mimosa tree stump (Albizia julibrissin) by removing the new foliage every day for 4 yrs. I would have been victorious over goutweed (Aegopodium podagraria) by doing the same thing to it for years. I did not know about smothering at the time I battled goutweed, which I now know would have killed it, but that would not be an option for a vine that spreads so readily and so far underground. Not to mention the seeds that will be spread all over your property every year.
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Jun 30, 2018 7:08 AM CST
DaisyI said:With diligence, you can control any plant. Its not as though its going to strangle the house while you are sleeping. There are a lot of vines that will get away if you don't watch them: Wisteria, Trumpet Vine, grapes...


This is literally true--with diligence, you can control any plant.

BUT, on a practical level, it's not true. For example, if you have running bamboo growing up a steep erosion-prone hill that covers half an acre, you could chop it, spray it, burn it, place concrete barriers, then lay down a heavy impenetrable black tarp for several years. The hill would erode significantly, but the bamboo would probably die assuming you were able to climb the hill properly and completely quarantined all of it with a concrete barrier.

However, on a practical level...that's just not really possible. At least for a fat, clumsy, person like me. lol
Keep going!
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purpleinopp
Jun 30, 2018 7:40 AM CST
True, there are levels of diligence more intensive than 5-15 minutes of effort per day, through the warmest months when foliage is present, for years.

Jack, plants don't notice or care what the gardener looks like. One of the finer aspects of plants, and reminder for the people about their likely folly and pointless superficiality if judging a book by its' cover. And if clumsy precluded gardening, I would not have a single plant! :+)
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Jun 30, 2018 8:13 AM CST
PoHockeyDad said:
I will tear it out this weekend and bag it and leave it for the town to take.


There is one more step between tearing it out and letting the town pick it up. Get some black trash bags, bag up the plants and let the bags bake in the sun for a couple/few weeks to make sure everything is dead. Putting the freshly pulled plants out for pickup might allow the plants to grow and become a problem in another part of town.

Edited to add:
In some areas we are allowed to burn plant material; if you can get a burn permit, let the plant material dry then burn it so it is gone forever.

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purpleinopp
Jun 30, 2018 8:19 AM CST
That's what I would do, until it is long gone, then pour the contents back onto any spots where vines are still alive. The battle still rages in that spot & after going to that effort, I definitely keep any organic matter that I worked so hard to harvest. A load like that can be enough to kill some entities, and optimistically, I'd be happy about improving the soil that I *am going* to use for more pleasing purposes eventually. It's more fun to use weeds to kill weeds.
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DaisyI
Jun 30, 2018 12:26 PM CST
@PoHockeyDad

Maybe you better read these articles before making decisions about your Knotweed:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wa...
https://www.macleans.ca/societ...

These articles were eye openers for me. I suspect hot water is not going to control this plant. Sorry Tiffany!




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