Roses forum: rose ID

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Name: Tom Jones
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thomasjones2266
Jun 30, 2018 11:44 PM CST
I am not sure I am in the right place, if not please point me to where I need to be. I found this rose at an old cemetery can anyone ID it for me.
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Name: Tom Jones
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thomasjones2266
Jun 30, 2018 11:47 PM CST

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kniphofia
Jun 30, 2018 11:53 PM CST
Veilenchenblau comes to mind as it has flowers like that and is almost thornless. It is a rambler however. Is it possible that your plant has been cut back?
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zuzu
Jun 30, 2018 11:58 PM CST

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I agree. It looks like a sheared-back Veilchenblau.

Rose (Rosa 'Veilchenblau')
Name: Tom Jones
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thomasjones2266
Jul 2, 2018 9:01 PM CST
you folks are great I am positive that is it.
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jerijen
Jul 3, 2018 2:00 PM CST
How large are the blooms. This COULD be Veilchenblau, but finding it in a cemetery makes me lean toward it being IXl (IXLR) a rootstock plant bred from Tausendschoen and Veilchenblau.

Here, we found it on a 1955 grave.

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porkpal
Jul 3, 2018 4:02 PM CST
The color and foliage look quite different to me, but the logic behind it makes perfect sense.
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Name: Christopher
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AquaEyes
Jul 3, 2018 7:13 PM CST
I agree that it's most likely 'Veilchenblau', but didn't weigh-in because there wasn't another possibility mentioned. Jeri's reasoning is sound, and finding the various rootstocks "growing wild" does point to the likelihood that there once was a budded rose planted there, but that doesn't eliminate 'Veilchenblau' since it, too, was once used as rootstock, as were several other ramblers. Even my 'Baltimore Belle' has references pointing to it being used as such. I also recall 'Felicite et Perpetue' being praised as rootstock in a 19th Century reference. Back when there were far more small producers of roses, what was used as rootstock could be almost anything that rooted easily and grew vigorously. So, if you happen upon a rambler growing all but forgotten for a very long time in a space that "doesn't make sense" for a rambler, it could very well have been rootstock.

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Calif_Sue
Jul 4, 2018 10:08 AM CST

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Why would it be so short in a cemetery? Unless someone recently sheared it back hard or it's newly planted. Mine grew into a tall monster within the first year of planting.
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jerijen
Jul 5, 2018 12:35 PM CST
Because unless the cemetery is completely deserted, there are groundskeepers who will cut roses down to size before they became a jungle.

Here's an example -- "Odorata" rootstock can grow anywhere from 12 to 20 ft. -- but in this cemetery, it was pruned to prevent that from happening:
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The color on the photo of IXL that I posted was pretty dark. It ages much paler, and really does look like a dead ringer for Veilchenblau. See photos at:
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