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Name: Mike Stewart
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Jul 3, 2018 5:16 PM CST
Oh my gosh, Zuzu, I can't believe you remembered all that (well, actually, of course I can!) What memories those photos bring back of when I was trying to create a new garden design, and install all those plants I brought with me to the new house in a compressed amount of time. I was exhausted by the end of that season, but it really paid off. Those pictures you retrieved inspired me to dig out my drafting plans for the garden, which I worked on all during the winter of 2014. Today the lower and middle garden look nearly exactly as planned. The blank space at the top of the plans is the upper garden, which I designed the next year without drafting it, which is why that area is blank.

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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 3, 2018 8:13 PM CST

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Very cool! I love seeing pictures of projects, from the planning stage to completion. You've created a wonderful garden in such a short time.
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porkpal
Jul 3, 2018 8:23 PM CST
Zuzu, I am so glad you linked us to that thread. I remembered Mike designing his new garden, and it was great to see the before, and after, and now pictures.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 3, 2018 8:26 PM CST

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What a rough time you had Mike but glad you are back to gardening, to me, gardening is often good therapy. And I love seeing before and after photos! And good memories seeing that old thread again too!
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MargieNY
Jul 3, 2018 10:14 PM CST
Mike - the transformation of your garden was a worthwhile endeavor - truly beautiful.
Name: Zuzu
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Jul 3, 2018 10:46 PM CST

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My garden is truly boring right now because the first flush is over. Some roses still are in bloom, however, so here are a few photos of my current garden stars.

Lyda Rose is almost finished with its first flush, so the blooms have lost all of their pink shading. This rose is a champ. It had been competing with a spiraea, but now its canes are rising above the spiraea.

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Sunrise (officially known as Freisinger Morgenrote) stays in bloom pretty much all of the time.

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Eye Paint is still producing a few cane-end bouquets.

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Classic Beauty is being a classic beauty.

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California Dreamin' is another rose that is almost always in bloom.

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Coretta Scott King is so tall that the different colors of the blooms are visible to me only when they're bent downward by their weight. Otherwise, I just see the coral underside.

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This rose was sold to me as The Prince about 20 years ago. I bought two more after that, and they look quite different from this one. They're dark, dark red, almost black, and not purple like this one. They are the real Princes. If I didn't already have roses called The Imposter and The Pretender, those would be tempting names for this rose. Would anyone care to guess what it might be? It's a rebloomer with arching canes bearing solitary blooms. The blooms are large, about 4 inches across.

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Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Jul 4, 2018 9:12 AM CST
Zuzu, these are beautiful. Even if you only have a few roses in bloom at present, I'm sure your garden is lovely nonetheless. I hadn't seen Sunrise before, and it's aptly named with those orangey, peachy, pinky hues of color. I hadn't seen Classic Beauty before, either, but it reminds me of my Love and Peace, and California Dreamin reminds me a bit of Gemini, but with more blurring of colors. I've no idea what the mystery rose is, but one thing I learned visiting nurseries with you is that there are so many roses available in California's warmer climate that I've not seen or heard of before in New York.

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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 4, 2018 9:44 AM CST

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That purple is so full petaled and beautiful!
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Name: Arturo Tarak
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hampartsum
Jul 4, 2018 10:21 AM CST
Hi @Zuzu, just simply contributing to guessing. I though it might be a reversion towards one of the parents of The Prince; the pollen is of the Squire and of this latter the pollen is the following:
Ch√Ęteau de Clos Vougeot
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose... has a couple of pictures that really show purple rather than deep red.
The only photo in Rose d.base is shown much redder

Who knows?
Of course other characters ought to fit as well such as fragrance. Whether a sport or just a mystery rose I wouldn't mind having it in my garden as a wonderful NOID simil The Prince.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 4, 2018 10:38 AM CST

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And that image came from Tasman Bay Roses as the caption shows so who knows if the color is accurate.
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Name: Zuzu
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Jul 4, 2018 1:32 PM CST

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Thank you for the guess, Arturo. I'm not sure. My rose could not be called thornless or almost thornless, as HMF describes Chateau de Clos Vougeot, and most of the HMF photos show blooms with fewer petals than mine. It's a good guess, though, and I think we're on the right track. It never really looked like a David Austin rose because Austins usually bloom in clusters, and this rose never does.
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MargieNY
Jul 4, 2018 7:15 PM CST
The other day on the "June 2018 Photos and Chat" we were talking about roses that change color. I would like to introduce you to a Kordes floribunda named "Firebird".
On July 1st, this rose produced it's first bloom that appeared to be a solid yellow flower. Later, the same day, I decided to photograph the flower. Here's the photo:



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I sure was surprised not to see a yellow colored flower but a neon fluorescent like flower. Here's another pic of it:





And here is one taken on July 2





The following photo taken on July 3:





And this last one was taken today July 4:







Name: Zuzu
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Jul 4, 2018 8:14 PM CST

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I love it!
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Jul 4, 2018 8:34 PM CST
The blooms in their earlier stages seemed to almost glow from within.
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MargieNY
Jul 4, 2018 9:19 PM CST
Mike said:The blooms in their earlier stages seemed to almost glow from within.

It really does glow - no doubt about it. It reminds me of those black light poster colors from the 60's and 70's.
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porkpal
Jul 4, 2018 9:21 PM CST
Yes, Mike, now that you mention it, I see that too. Cool!
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MargieNY
Jul 4, 2018 9:24 PM CST
Here's Palatine's description:
https://palatineroses.com/rose...
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 4, 2018 10:27 PM CST

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Can't be bored with that one! It's like having multiple roses all on one plant!
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Mustbnuts
Jul 6, 2018 4:23 AM CST
Got pulled into this thread due to your beautiful picture that you posted Zuzu. What a gorgeous rose! Of course, I can't grow it here due to the unrelenting heat during the summer, but it is so lovely to see it.
Everyone else, thank you for posting pictures of your beautiful roses and lovely gardens. They are stunning! Mike, I think I could get lost in your garden for hours and hours. Margie, I love the pictures of Firebird. Yes, it does glow! What a beautiful rose.
I too have a rose that changes colors. It starts out white and then turns pink to dark pink as it ages. Love this rose. Occhi di Fata. Eye of Fate or Eye of the Fairy depending on your interpretation. Let me see if I can find some pictures. It is a Barni rose which I wish we could get more of them in the US. Great rose!

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Occhi di Fata

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Beth, I was wondering how you were doing up there. Sorry to hear you are under the weather along with your chicks. I hope all of you are better soon. Getting any smoke from the fires? It has made its way down here and the air is bad. I think it may have been a picture that you took of Occhi that made me get it? Trying to remember as it was a few years ago.
Name: Zuzu
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Jul 7, 2018 5:43 PM CST

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Patience is a virtue? In my case, I now suspect it's more a sign of stupidity than a virtue. I bought an own-root Nahema in 2008. It grew slowly but consistently, producing nice foliage but no blooms whatsoever. I kept caring for the plant, waiting patiently for a bloom or two. Today I noticed that it's dead. Why did I waste 10 years of care and resources on an obviously defective plant?

On to more pleasant things: These are the current stars of the garden.

I will always grow Flutterbye in my garden. Talk about an entertaining rose! I never know what the blooms will look like. Will they be yellow, white, or pink? Will they have a contrasting edge or not?

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This Gee Whiz bloom is harboring a cucumber beetle and is close to shatter point, but shatter point is when Buck roses show off their unique freckles and veining most vividly.

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Many of the roses currently in bloom in my garden are orange. Outrageous is one of them.

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Pat Austin is another.

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Tuscan Sun has some peachy-orange shades as well as some other colors that look delicious and fit Dave's Garden member Henrietta's long-ago apt description of these colors as "fruity-melty-sherbety shades." Smiling

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Persian Peach, one of my cherished Ralph Moore roses of his Persian line.

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Sir John Betjeman, a lovely Austin that produces smaller blooms than most of the Austins but makes up for it by blooming more frequently than the rest.

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