Roses forum: July 2018 -- photos and chat

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Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Jul 18, 2018 7:49 PM CST
Flowerdoom, your rose's leaves don't look especially droopy to me; if they are, I think it would just be from the residual stress from being transplanted. Otherwise it looks healthy - no blackspot, no powdery mildew, no chlorosis. Good luck with it.
Name: Peggy
Kankakee Illinois (Zone 5b)
PineapplePeg
Jul 19, 2018 2:50 AM CST
Mustbnuts said:.

Peggy, I have to ask you about your Purple Tiger. How does it perform for you? I love the colors in the flowers but it does not have a good "rep" as a rose. I know I can get it if I want it. The rose I am very interested in is Just Imagine or New Imagine but it is just about impossible to get here in the States. The colors on the petals of Purple Tiger reminds me of it. I may try Agave Farms again (for about the 6th time) to see if I can still get it from them in the spring. I am so sorry I didn't get it from Ludwig's when I had the chance (I was being sensible, sigh).



Sorry it took me so long to answer. Its doing really good. I had Japanese beetles and they didn't touch it? Not sure why. I now have 2 new blooms. I was surprised how bright the colors are. I have mostly sand and never tried roses till this year.
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Took this picture this morning.
I forgot to add this is the strongest scented rose in my garden so far.
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Mustbnuts
Jul 19, 2018 3:47 PM CST
Margie, thank you for all the hints in taking pictures. I will be giving those a try! They were wonderful.

Peggy, thank you for responding on Purple Tiger. I love the colors of this rose. It has a rep for not blooming and not being a strong grower. It is nice to hear that it has a great scent and that it is doing well for you and apparently badly for Japanese Beetles! Nice to know there is a rose that they won't touch! My garden is mostly clay so perhaps your environment is what does it for this rose. Who knows? For being one of your first roses, you are doing great!

My roses are hanging in there by the tips of their thorns. It has been over 105 degrees every day for the past two weeks and the forecast has it over 105 degrees for at least the next ten days if not longer. It barely gets to 75 degrees in the early morning before the temp shoots back up again. I had to put my air conditioning on at 9 am this morning as it was already over 90 degrees outside. In addition to that we are getting the smoke from the fires near Yosemite. Air quality is very bad outside and they are telling us to stay indoors.

My citrus trees are looking sunburned and wilty. Thank goodness that tomorrow is a day I can water. They only have to wait another 10 hours until I can legally water them.

Munstead is throwing out some new blooms but they are pretty well fried in a day or two. Even Peppermint Parfait that laughs at the heat has fried blooms as well. A couple of roses that I am surprised about are two unnamed ones that I grew from seed for Kim Rupert. They are blooming away like crazy!

I was reading an article that the citrus farmers spray their trees with ceramic dust and wet them. So the trees have the white dust water drop markings on them from the wet ceramic dust (if that makes any sense). That way it helps to protect against sunburn (especially the oranges as folks won't buy an orange which has a black sunburn spot on it). I know they paint the trunks of their trees with white paint for the same reason to help protect from the sun and heat here.

I am still going through the "bathroom remodel that never ends" and my citrus trees and roses have been covered in the ceramic tile dust from installing the new tile in the shower. I was trying to wash it off thinking it was a bad thing but perhaps it is helpful? Who knew? The flowers on my Flamingo Dancer have been on there for the past three weeks. They still have their petals! Perhaps this is the secret. Granted they are not picture worthy but the fact that they are still there is pretty amazing.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Jul 19, 2018 7:43 PM CST
zuzu said:Mike, I'm so sorry to hear about your mother, but so glad that you're back.

The photos of your "new" garden are wonderful. I remember the start of it four years ago. I looked for the thread you created when you moved and found it here:

The thread "New home and new gardens!" in Roses forum

The thread is well worth perusing for our new members and revisiting for our old members. It has photos of Mike's "new" and "old" gardens and some interesting discussions. This post from that thread, in particular, is quite useful as a guide to shade-tolerant roses.

https://garden.org/thread/view...


I saved Mike's extensive list of shade tolerant roses! Thanks for sharing the link Zuzu.

@Mike: That's a beautiful garden I've seen in a long time. Thanks for the list of shade tolerant roses.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 20, 2018 11:46 PM CST

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Just a couple of shots from the garden, which still looks fairly boring because I didn't get around to deadheading, so the period between flushes consequently has been lengthened.

Most of the current blooms are heat-damaged and look awful, but some roses change their look entirely in the presence of too much sun and heat and still manage to look interesting.

Dark Night, which usually produces blooms of utter perfection, such as this one,

is suddenly covered by blooms looking like this:

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Almost unrecognizable, but still interesting!

Some roses, on the other hand, are unaffected by intense sun and heat. One of these is Funny Face.

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Now I'm going to confess something that might make you think I've gone nuts. I feel a strong and strange connection to Funny Face, as though this is the rose I'd be if I were a rose. Do any of you feel this kind of connection to any of your roses or am I just an inveterate woo-woo Sebastopolian?
Name: Porkpal
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Jul 21, 2018 1:14 PM CST
So if I grew Funny Face it would be almost like having you in my garden?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 21, 2018 1:22 PM CST

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Yes, almost. Big Grin
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 21, 2018 5:32 PM CST

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I vote woo-woo Sebastopolian. Hilarious! If I am not careful, I could be heading that direction too!
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jul 21, 2018 5:54 PM CST

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It's almost inevitable, Suzie. I'm still amazed by the number of people in our town who take their sick pets to an acupuncturist or an animal psychic instead of taking them to the vet.

Flowerdoom
Jul 22, 2018 10:25 AM CST
Mike said:Flowerdoom, your rose's leaves don't look especially droopy to me; if they are, I think it would just be from the residual stress from being transplanted. Otherwise it looks healthy - no blackspot, no powdery mildew, no chlorosis. Good luck with it.

I bought the rose bush like that...I'm glad you don't think they're too droopy ...maybe it's just a different kind I'm not used to, although I haven't gotten any new growth at all....the other rose bush I had gotten at the same time has done really well ..new growth and blooms....BTW the one I feel is droopy is a tea leaf cross?...it's called Olympian Sticking tongue out


Flowerdoom
Jul 22, 2018 10:28 AM CST
Dark Desire this is another new rose bush
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Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Jul 22, 2018 12:16 PM CST
Are you sure it's not called Olympus, rather than Olympian?

Flowerdoom
Jul 22, 2018 2:04 PM CST
Mike said:Are you sure it's not called Olympus, rather than Olympian?


Totally can be an Olympus lol *Blush*
Name: Peggy
Kankakee Illinois (Zone 5b)
PineapplePeg
Jul 22, 2018 4:44 PM CST
This is the 1st bloom from my gold medal
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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 22, 2018 8:06 PM CST
Mike said:Are you sure it's not called Olympus, rather than Olympian?


Mike, are you thinking of the rose 'Olympiad' by McGredy ?

Rose (Rosa 'Olympiad')

I checked the database for both NGA and HMF and could not find a rose called 'Olympus'. I was trying to find a photo of the foliage.

@Flowerdoom ...

When you transplanted the rose, were the roots terribly root bound ? Also, was the rose growing in "sawdust" ?

I think @Zuzu mentioned having to wash that stuff off before transplanting in a post a while back.

For some roses, since they grow their roots first, you may not see any new top growth in two weeks. They take their time. Others just jump out of the pot.

The drooping leaves don't look just right, but they look like healthy foliage.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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MargieNY
Jul 22, 2018 9:42 PM CST
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Jul 23, 2018 7:09 AM CST
Lyn, point well taken, although there are two entries in HMF for Olympus. One is an HT introduced in 1929; another is a shrub introduced in 1997. However, one appears to be available only in Italy, while the other shows no known availability. McGredy's Olympiad is shown to be available only from Burlington. What makes this all the more puzzling is that Flowerdoom obtained the rose from Home Depot, so who knows?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 23, 2018 10:54 AM CST

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Mike, HMF shows Burlington as the only HMF sponsor selling Olympiad. You have to click past that page to find two more pages of sources.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Jul 23, 2018 11:12 AM CST

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Yes, you have to click that link below Burlington's sponsored listing "VIEW ALL NURSERIES SELLING THIS ROSE".
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Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
Seed Starter Container Gardener Roses Bulbs I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Peonies
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Mike
Jul 23, 2018 12:30 PM CST
Thank You!

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