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Name: Charley
Arroyo Seco New Mexico (Zone 4b)
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Charlemagne
Jul 4, 2018 10:44 AM CST
This is DANCING WITH GIRAFFES which has been a great performer for me in the past. Yesterday it had seven blooms that were just like this;

Thumb of 2018-07-04/Charlemagne/f0edf6

Diagnosis please?

Charley
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 4, 2018 10:56 AM CST
What happens if you gently separate the stuck ends? Daylilies apparently have some teeny hairs that hold the buds closed until opening time. I wonder if something has caused them not to release. But is the petal substance also different from usual? Seen any unusual bugs hanging around? Funnily enough I saw something very similar posted on another daylily forum this year. I don't know what caused it.
Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Jul 4, 2018 11:03 AM CST
Last year, when we had a cool summer, I had to manually open many flowers. The ends of the petals had "stuck" as sooby mentioned. There seemed to be little hooks or hoods at the tips that would hang up. I hadn't seen that on so many blooms before. I think it was the cool nights when the buds were forming. Maybe that could be the cause. Shrug! Confused
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 4, 2018 11:13 AM CST
Hard to imagine being cool enough for that to happen when here we're in the 90s during the day and 70s at night Hilarious! But I wondered the same thing - I looked for past weather data but didn't find any for Charley's area.
Name: Donald
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needrain
Jul 4, 2018 11:48 AM CST
I'm seeing a lot of something that looks like this among many of the daylilies this year. I'm attributing it to insufficient moisture and hot, dry air. It hasn't shown up much until this year. I posted a photo https://garden.org/thread/view... in the daylily Buds with green points? thread.
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Name: Charley
Arroyo Seco New Mexico (Zone 4b)
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Charlemagne
Jul 4, 2018 11:56 AM CST
Our nights tend to lows between 50 F. and 55 F. but that is no different from the past seven years. Our daytime highs have been in the upper eighties.

What has been different is our rainfall. Less than 1.5 inches since January 1. That along with high winds daily has parched the land. We water a bed for six hours and the next day cannot stick the wire from a name tag into the ground.

What is confusing is that some varieties are performing really well while many exhibit strange anomalies, I.e.

F(2/3)FO for CHEROKEE CHIEF today;

Thumb of 2018-07-04/Charlemagne/5df3f7

We need the rain or are going to lose plants.

Charley
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Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Jul 4, 2018 1:24 PM CST
I have had a few like your last pic, Charley, just 2 petals and 2 sepals instead of three of each. The weather this year seems to be just plain WRONG. Even long established trees are dropping their leaves as if it is autumn.
Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
Jul 4, 2018 1:25 PM CST
Charley, I hope you know a good rain dance- don't want you to lose plants!
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Name: Julie
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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floota
Jul 5, 2018 3:10 AM CST
I've seen that here with the extreme heat and dry days we've had, even though I have an irrigation system. They just need a lot of water when blooms are growing and forming, or the plant can't support them all. Some will abort.
Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Jul 10, 2018 4:59 PM CST
@floota,
Julie,
I have been watering like a madwoman as we have had a heatwave here since May with very little rain but many of my established daylilies just haven't flowered at all this year. One or two might need dividing but not all of them. Last year Chicago Sunrise had 15 scapes, this year absolutely nothing. Same goes for Star Child, Little Fat Cat, Honky Tonk Blues and Dark Sprite (not reg.). Aquamarine had just two scapes and four flowers.

I am really panicking that they won't come right again as I don't think that I can get them again over here now as the European sellers don't have them, with the possible exception of Honky Tonk Blues. And it is all my favourites that it has happened to.

Have you ever had this happen before? Is there anything I should do? I have fed them with seaweed and they have all had alfalfa pellets added. Newer ones added last autumn have flowered.
Name: Julie
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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floota
Jul 11, 2018 3:27 AM CST
I would not add extra fertilizer if they are already suffering from heat stress!! I would just keep watering. Honestly, in this climate, It would be difficult to keep plants alive in pots when it gets as hot as its been here. When the soil heats up so much and you add water, the odds for rot go up. Hopefully that won't be the case there. Dry with moderate heat you should be OK to just keep watering.

I have been watering the entire garden about 45 -55 minutes daily unless we've gotten a rare shower.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Jul 11, 2018 3:40 AM CST
@floota,

Thanks for your advice, the plants in question all have new growth so I think they ae okay, just not flowering.

Will make sure not to overwater! Thank You!
Name: Elena
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bxncbx
Jul 11, 2018 7:12 AM CST
Thanks goodness others are seeing what I am! I've had massive bud drop this year! I've also seen the strange bud that not only didn't open but was mushy inside when I tried to open it. I'm guessing it was just an aborted bud but I've never seen one so close to opening abort like that! We had a heatwave with very high humidity. I probably should have watered more but with the humidity so high the water wasn't evaporating like normal and I didn't want to encourage disease in the garden.

In general, flowers are smaller this year, bud count is down dramatically as are scape numbers for most plants and pod setting has been relatively poor. I have been watering more recently since we haven't gotten the normal summer thunderstorms. I've also been fertilizing with either kelp (spraying the leaves) or fish fertilizer and the flowers that do open have the best color I've ever seen. I don't fertilize when over 90 but otherwise I try to do it every week. I don't think I'm going to lose any plants but I definitely have some plants that typically do very well not throw up a scape this year. But weirdly I'm having plants that have never flowered before finally deciding to throw up scapes. It's all very strange.

I'm hoping that if I keep up with the watering and fertilizer I'll have a great bloom season next year. Even though I'm now in peak bloom it is rare for me to get more than one bloom per plant a day. Glare
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 11, 2018 7:31 AM CST
Elena, if you see another mushy-inside bud that doesn't open, you may want to check it for the maggots of the daylily gall midge.
Name: Heidi
CT (Zone 5b)
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mom2cjemma
Jul 11, 2018 8:33 AM CST
Elena,

I am a small bit north of you and have had similar weather conditions and similar flowering experiences to you. Our measurable rain has been quite lacking in the past month.

I have had probably 10 weird almost but not totally opening flowers like seen above. I am definitely dropping buds. Most are small, but one or two were closer to blooming. Only difference is that everyone seems to be sending up scapes.

I have been actively watering my holding beds as they are shallow and have a hard time retaining moisture as well as a bed that I transplanted this spring. Otherwise my other 3 beds are getting watered about once a week.

My most established bed is one that gets intense morning sun and then filtered shade from 1pm on. It is probably that shade that has helped to keep them flourishing with the lack of rain. Despite that, there are many that are dropping buds. Glare
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 11, 2018 8:42 AM CST
Anyone who is having older buds abort that are watery/mushy inside, please look at the pictures on this AHS Daylily Dictionary page and check the insides of your affected buds for the maggots. The AHS page has not yet been updated yet to reflect that this pest is now in the north-east.

https://www.daylilies.org/ahs_...

See also these images from Google:
https://www.google.com/search?...
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Name: Elena
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bxncbx
Jul 11, 2018 11:01 AM CST
@sooby I don't think it was gall midge. It didn't look like the pictures.

I've been having lots of flowers starting to open earlier than normal. If I look in the evening I'll swear some flowers will bloom the next day but they bloom 2-3 days later. I have some cultivars that always start opening early but now it seems like they almost all are doing it. The blooms that were mushy had started opening early and were then exposed to heavy rain. They were dips with not a lot of substance to begin with so the petals just sort of dissolved.

I still have lots of flowers opening early but since we haven't gotten much rain the flowers are fine when they do open.
Name: Heidi
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mom2cjemma
Jul 12, 2018 3:09 PM CST
I opened a few of the buds that have falling off. The buds are all fine, with no infestations. I think that the plants have gotten a little stressed with the extreme heat and dryness, despite me trying to staying ahead with the watering.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 12, 2018 3:31 PM CST
I'm seeing a lot of aborting buds here too due to the heat/lack of rain but they're doing it at more of the "normal" size stage rather than being larger with mushy insides. Glad everyone who checked found no sign of the gall midge. Hurray!
Name: Char
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Char
Jul 12, 2018 3:41 PM CST

Moderator

That is good news. Sue, you said that gall midge is in the north-east is that still north-east Canada as you mentioned in an earlier thread this spring or has it now shown up somewhere in the Northeast U.S.?

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