Plant ID forum→Useful weed or pest? -- Verbena urticifolia

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Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 12, 2018 7:42 AM CST
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This thing is around 5 feet tall now. I've been waiting to catch the blossoms open, but they never seem to get showy. They are minuscule white flowers.
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 12, 2018 9:28 AM CST
Could you add an intermediate picture of the stem and leaves?
Porkpal
Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 12, 2018 11:15 AM CST
Sure can. Be back in just a moment.
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Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 12, 2018 12:46 PM CST
This is the middle part with the branching stems and even gives another glimpse at the tiny flowers.
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Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 15, 2018 8:52 AM CST
Any new ideas on what this weed is?
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Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
You can't have too many viburnums..
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ViburnumValley
Jul 15, 2018 9:50 AM CST
I recognize that as a common woodland understory wildflower around central KY, and it occurs here at Viburnum Valley.

I think that's Phryma leptostachya - Lopseed.

John
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 15, 2018 11:33 AM CST
The square stems make me think it is in the mint or sage family and it looks familiar, but I can't place it. Where are our experts?
Porkpal
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 15, 2018 11:35 AM CST
Ah, good. Real suggestions. (cross posted)
Porkpal
Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 15, 2018 1:04 PM CST
Thanks Viburnum Valley for the suggestion. The branching stems and symmetrical leaves certainly look like the pictures I've found, but the defining feature of Phryma leptostachya is it's "downward-hanging fruit" that seem to stick up as they blossom. My flower bud sites aren't pointing down. Maybe I have a different cultivar?

Porkpal, I initially believed (and hoped) that it was going to be a mint or sage. Those hopes were dashed when it hit the 3 foot mark. Now it's 5 feet tall, which is also out of the usual size range of the Lopseed.

I'd really like to pinpoint this. If it is a Phryma leptostachya, those sound like they are excellent antimicrobials and that is an area missing from my current medicinal garden.
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Name: Virginia
Charleston, SC (Zone 8b)
Köppen climate classification Cfa
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scvirginia
Jul 15, 2018 4:10 PM CST
Verbena urticifolia? If so, a very useful weed.

Virginia
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Name: Amy
Capon Bridge, WV (Zone 6b)
Region: West Virginia Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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starbookworm
Jul 16, 2018 5:41 AM CST
SCVirginia, Thank You! That's the one. Do you use the plant? I found that it is an excellent revival agent, but does it react the same as Verbena officinalis? That's the one listed in my medicinal guide.
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Name: Virginia
Charleston, SC (Zone 8b)
Köppen climate classification Cfa
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scvirginia
Jul 16, 2018 11:54 AM CST
starbookworm, I don't use it, but I did see some things online that indicated it had medicinal uses. It doesn't grow here; or at least I haven't seen it here.

We do have V. brasilensis naturalized here, and the leaf and stems were so similar, I thought it must be a close relation. I used the USDA Plants state look-up feature to see what Verbenas you might have in WV, and voila!- there it was... https://plants.usda.gov/checkl...

I'm glad you have a new useful weed in your "toolbox".

Virginia





Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
You can't have too many viburnums..
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ViburnumValley
Jul 17, 2018 4:40 PM CST
I am a self-proclaimed woodies guy; not so good at the herbaceous residents. I like the Verbena/Vervain (VV!) ID better.

In fact, there are several of these growing in disused pots out on the deck.

John

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