Roses forum: "Roseville Noisette"

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Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 16, 2018 12:13 PM CST
A dwarf, cluster-flowering noisette, discovered in Roseville, CA
Fragrant, almost continuous-blooming, and disease-free.:

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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 16, 2018 1:17 PM CST
Very pretty! I really like Noisettes; I wish the dwarfs didn't get lost in my weeds.
Porkpal
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 16, 2018 2:10 PM CST
That's why we grow it in two huge pots -- up out of the weeds, and high enough to enjoy the fragrance.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 16, 2018 10:22 PM CST
@jerijen, Jeri ...

How large are the pots and how often do you have to change out the soil ?

The database says it can grow 3 - 4 feet and is bushy.

It's a very pretty rose ... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 17, 2018 10:50 AM CST
Budded, and in the ground, it can demonstrably go 5-ft. I have seen that, in the Sacramento City Cemetery.

These are probably 2.5- to-3ft. tall. The pots about 3 ft. tall, and quite round. We have never changed out the soil -- just added more as needed.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Jul 17, 2018 11:20 AM CST
Thank you, Jeri.

I've always been told that for roses that want grow more than 4' in the ground, they really didn't work well in a container. Your plants look so healthy.

Is this a rose that doesn't readily get root bound ?
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 17, 2018 4:16 PM CST
It certainly doesn't seem to be.

But you must remember that NOTHING here gets planted directly into the ground. If we were to do that, we might just as well chop them up and hand-feed them to the gophers. We have 12-ft.-tall roses growing in squats, in the ground.

When the rules don't fit your circumstances, break the rules.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Jul 17, 2018 4:25 PM CST
Wow ...

I am having a hard time with that one, Jeri. I have a thing about growing roots. I have found, in this garden, that the only way I can have a healthy rose is to have a healthy root mass.

No, I don't have gophers, but I am gardening in rock which is very much a part of the watershed in that the water goes through the crevices in the rock.

I can't expect a rose to even live until I've grown up at least a 5gal root mass.

Crowded roots in the pots have always seemed to stress the rose. It's always been a balancing act. The large roses I have grown in containers never seem to look all that good.

Would you grow an Austin like Graham Thomas or Teasing Georgia in that pot ?
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 17, 2018 6:39 PM CST
"Would you grow an Austin like Graham Thomas or Teasing Georgia in that pot ?"

*** Of course not. There is no comparison.

But this is a very very large pot, and that is a very small rose.

But let me tell you something . . . We grow "Golden Celebration" in a 15-Gallon squat pot, WITH MANY HOLES, in the ground. Because the alternative is to grow nothing but cactus.

This rose:
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is growing in just such a 15-Gallon squat.

Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 17, 2018 6:43 PM CST
I would say, you should not tell me it can't be done, because I have been doing it for thirty years.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Jul 17, 2018 7:13 PM CST
I agree with you completely.

Putting a pot in the ground and growing a rose is very different than trying to grow the same rose in the same pot above ground.

That's why I asked the question when you wrote "break the rules".

As usual, it depends on the rose.

The other reason I asked is that I have very few spots with afternoon shade. There are some roses I would love to grow, but they can't take the heat without afternoon shade ... Sighing! and the "soil" in those spots is rock not soil.

Thank you, Jeri.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
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porkpal
Jul 17, 2018 8:05 PM CST
Clearly your roses thrive in their pots - but what is a "squat pot"?
Porkpal
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 17, 2018 8:43 PM CST
Nursery "Squats" are just what they sound like, wider, "squattier" pots:
https://www.google.com/search?...

Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Jul 17, 2018 10:12 PM CST
Makes sense.
Porkpal
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Jul 17, 2018 10:12 PM CST
@jerijen:

You have no idea how this post has given me hope of planting roses in pots in future. As a novice rosarian, all the posts in the rose forum, including yours, has been educational to me. My Austin roses, Poet's Wife, Claire Austin, and Princess Alexandra of Kent are thriving well in pots that they have budded already! The Ebb Tide is thriving well too with a couple of its few buds starting to open. Living in a typical San Francisco Mediterranean style house, it was a challenge for me to grow roses out front of the house due to the absence of a front yard. All the roses I have planted in the front so far are all in pots, minus Lady of Shallot shrub and Pretty in Pink groundcover that is planted in the small planter area.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 18, 2018 9:54 AM CST
Rose Guy -- You CAN grow roses in pots ... but you're going to have to work harder at it. Thumbs up

For one thing, the pots are going to have to be BIG. Much bigger than you think.

I'd bet money on the pots you're using now becoming obsolete in a year or less. The only reason these Noisettes thrive in the pots is that they ARE Dwarves.

The best way to do it, really, is to double-pot. A MASSIVE outer pot (which can be tres decorative) with, inside, a humble plastic nursery pot with lots of drainage holes (Roses don't want to get TOO hot and dry, but they HATE having wet feet, so drainage is a must. Double-potting protects the roots from the heat that may build up, as the sun hits that pot.

Oh, let me throw in here . . . DO NOT go for those handsome wooden wine or whiskey barrels! Guess what? Just about as the plant begins to mature, that pot -- will begin to rot. The metal staves will rust and fall off, and the whole thing will fall apart. (How do I know this? Yes. We did it. We did a bunch of them, and had to deal with the consequences.)

Then, there's the matter of selecting the rose. When you look at the Austin descriptions, look for the height they list. If they say anything taller than 4-ft., fuggedabahtit. Remember that the rose DOES need as much room for roots as you get for top. So, the smaller Austins are preferable. I'd love to find a budded plant of 'Fair Bianca' to grow in a pot. I would NEVER grow 'Golden Celebration' or 'Graham Thomas' or or or in a pot. It would be doomed to fail.

Hope that helps!
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Jul 18, 2018 9:58 AM CST
Sound advice!
Porkpal

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