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ldonati7
Jul 20, 2018 12:30 PM CST
I'd love any help in identifying what rose this may be. It was in garden when we moved in over 10 years ago and was already well established at that point. Extremely thorny, light scent. Blooms prolifically all year (in Southern CA) and grows very quickly.

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Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 20, 2018 5:08 PM CST
The trouble is, there are so many roses that look a bit like this . . . It's almost-certainly a Floribunda Rose ... but . . .

One guess might be 'Europeana'.

You will find 'Europeana' at: http://helpmefind.com/rose/l.p...

If you have an opportunity to visit the rose garden at the Huntington Botanical Gardens, Library, and Museum, you might find it there and be able to verify.
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porkpal
Jul 20, 2018 6:04 PM CST
It's a beautiful rose. I am fond of ruffled petals - and it has so many of them! Do you know any more of the history of the property? How long did the previous owner live there? When was the house built? Sometimes knowing the possible age of the plant can help narrow down an ID.
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Calsurf73
Jul 20, 2018 11:15 PM CST
It could also possibly be this one.

Rose (Rosa 'Trumpeter')
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jul 21, 2018 10:45 AM CST
Yeah. I also thought of 'Trumpeter'. It's a warmer red than 'Europeana', and to me, this looked more like Europeana. But it sure could be Trumpeter (did you know it was named after Louis Armstrong?).
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jul 21, 2018 1:03 PM CST
HMF does not show the ruffled petals for either of those that the mystery rose exhibits. Is there a way to do a search for that characteristic?
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ldonati7
Jul 21, 2018 1:53 PM CST
Thank you all for the info. House was built in mid-80s, but that's about all I know as far as potential age. The flowers when faded definitely have more pink undertones and not orange, which seems closer to Europeana at least in pics online.
I will definitely check out the HB Gardens - didn't even know about them! And see if I can spot either of these varieties at Roger's Garden or Plant Depot.
Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 21, 2018 8:45 PM CST
How about this floribunda - it's red & has pinkish undertones and it's ruffled?
https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...
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Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 21, 2018 8:58 PM CST
Rose (Rosa 'City of San Francisco')

In our database it states: Miscellaneous: With thorns/spines/prickles/teeth
Fragrance: mild
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Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 22, 2018 2:05 PM CST
I would like some feedback on my possible match, please.
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porkpal
Jul 22, 2018 2:28 PM CST
Best yet, in my opinion.
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Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 22, 2018 2:50 PM CST
Thank you Porkpal for taking the time to read my posts.
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porkpal
Jul 22, 2018 6:53 PM CST
Was it a popular rose, readily available? Therefore a likely candidate?
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Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 22, 2018 9:38 PM CST
On HMF under "Members Comments" it states: "City of San Francisco just won the 'Golden Rose Award' at the International Trials held at Rose Hills Memorial Park in Whittier California.
The award is given to the best rose over a two year evaluation."
the above looks as though that was written in 2004.

Under Buy From:
Armstrong Garden Centers, Inc., are a special 111 year old company owned 100% by over 650 employees. Armstrong Garden Centers serves greater Southern California gardeners and is the largest independent retail nursery company in the Western United States, specializing in the largest selection of roses (over 950 varieties), many developed and exclusive to them.

Idonati7 home is in Southern CA
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 22, 2018 11:38 PM CST

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I usually stay out of attempts to identify red roses, especially red floribundas, because there are so very, very many of them. I think I can come up with a couple of more likely candidates, however, than the ones suggested so far.

As Margie pointed out, neither Europeana nor Trumpeter has the ruffled petals ldonati7's rose displays, but City of San Francisco is such an obscure rose that it also seems unlikely to be the rose in question. For one thing, it's being grown in only two U.S. gardens listed on HMF.

At the time City of San Francisco was introduced, I was buying literally hundreds of roses each year, shopping for roses at more than a dozen local nurseries and also buying roses from more than a dozen mail-order nurseries. I never saw City of San Francisco even once. I know I didn't see it because I would have bought it just on the strength of its name. I was raised in San Francisco and lived there until I was 30, so a rose by that name would be growing in my garden if I had ever seen it in any year since 2000. I still have never seen it for sale anywhere.

As Margie points out, however, ldonati7 lives in southern California, where Armstrong has several nurseries and presumably was selling this rose, so it is possible that the rose is City of San Francisco.

I think there's a stronger possibility that it's either Eutin or Showbiz. Both have been extremely popular for decades and both have ruffled petals.

Name: Margie
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MargieNY
Jul 23, 2018 7:58 AM CST
Zuzu, I appreciate and value your opinion in reference to City of San Francisco aka Red Rhapsody.
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