Roses forum: A new discovery

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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Aug 5, 2018 6:24 PM CST
I was watering the two-weeks-old roses, and I made the following observation. Falling in Love rose is seen in the image.

First I spotted this,

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Then I spotted this spider underneath the foliage. Click on the image to get a better view.

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I knocked it down to get a better view. It looks like a garden spider. Then again, I have zero knowledge about spider species. Yes, I suffer from arachnophobia. Yes, I killed it.

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Next, I spotted a couple of these little guys. Again, click on the image for better visual.

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After getting rid of them, I further inspected other foliages when I spotted a couple of foliages "webbed shut," like this:

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Upon opening the foliage, I spotted the tiny worm. I think it looks like a caterpillar.

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I'd appreciate it if anyone could help me identify the worm and the spider? Are/will they harm(ing) the rose in the long run?
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Tisha
Aug 6, 2018 2:16 AM CST
On my little plot spiders and ants ( not red ants ) are welcome friends.
Squish the little worms.
Hold off on spraying any ' control ' till it's really necessary. Smiling

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Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Aug 6, 2018 10:47 AM CST
I agree with Tisha about spiders (not to be confused with spider mites); they are welcome in my garden and on my plants. In late August there will be a sudden boom of spiders making the most exquisite webs in my garden, as exemplified below. I always look forward to seeing their handiwork, and do my best not to disturb it.

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jerijen
Aug 6, 2018 4:17 PM CST
Yeah, the "worm" looks like a rose slug, and he WILL eat holes in the leaves. I agree with Tisha. Squish 'im.

The spiders are likely to eat other bugs, so they're always welcome guests. My favorites are the white Crab Spiders who look like they're wearing Star Wars Storm Trooper armor. They hide inside a bloom, and eat bad bugs.

Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Aug 6, 2018 6:12 PM CST
@Tisha and @Jeri: As long as the spiders are on my team (favoring the roses and killing the bad bugs), I shall leave them alone from now on. Learned something new today :)

@Mike: Spiders scare the daylights out of me, to be honest. Spiders and crabs remind me of the facehugger from the movie Alien after watching it for the very first time when I was seven years old. Probably that's how my arachnophobia started. Now that I know spiders are the good bugs, I won't disturb them anymore.
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Aug 6, 2018 7:25 PM CST
Not only are they beneficial, but some of them are quite beautiful, such as this Golden Orb-Weaver I photographed.

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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Aug 6, 2018 10:50 PM CST
@Mike: From a photography point of view, you definitely have the knack for capturing great pictures! I always enjoy viewing the images of your garden and its residents. From a subjective point of view, all spiders still appear evil and creepy to me.
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Aug 7, 2018 8:36 AM CST
Shyam,

That's funny, because I think some spiders are really cute, and even sociable at times. Every now and then I get the really small, fuzzy black and white hopping spiders around my window sills. They don't hop upward, so much as they dart at high speed sideways. They don't have "creepy crawly" legs; instead, they have really short fuzzy legs. They don't really mind being handled or "pet", as shown here:

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A few weeks ago one appeared on top of my desk. I told him he could stay there and play so long as he kept off the keyboard while I was typing. For the next hour he played a game of peek-a-boo as he darted beneath or alongside the items on my desk, and then would venture out to see what I was doing. At one point he raised his little eyes above the back edge of the keyboard to spy on me, as if he were the famous "Kilroy Was Here" drawing. I told him to mind his own business if he wanted to stay and play. He eventually moved on.

I interact with bumblebees in the garden in much the same way, by petting them. They typically raise their right front leg in a "High-Five" motion, though I imagine it's more of an effort on their part to tell me to mind MY own business!
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Aug 7, 2018 2:01 PM CST
@Mike: Man, I wish I had the guts like you to interact socially with spiders! However, I am not scared of bumblebees, hopefully, once after I have my rose garden up and running in my backyard, I could hope for bumblebees to visit.
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Mustbnuts
Aug 7, 2018 11:12 PM CST
Spiders are fine in my yard but not in my garage (which black widows seem to love--ugh). However, I would not welcome a camel spider (which is not really a spider) in my yard. Knowing Jeri, she would squish it with her fingers. Ugh!!!!
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jerijen
Aug 8, 2018 10:00 AM CST
Oh, I would never squish a garden spider!!!

But I did squish a very very tiny indoor spider last night.
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jerijen
Aug 8, 2018 10:01 AM CST
Oh, I would never squish a garden spider!!! Rolling my eyes.

But I did squish a very very tiny indoor spider last night. Smiling
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Mustbnuts
Aug 8, 2018 10:14 AM CST
jerijen said:Oh, I would never squish a garden spider!!! Rolling my eyes.

But I did squish a very very tiny indoor spider last night. Smiling


Oh, I don't know Jeri. You have to see this arachnid! If I ever had one in my yard, I would surrender and move!
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Aug 9, 2018 10:52 PM CST
jerijen said:
But I did squish a very very tiny indoor spider last night. Smiling


My (indoor) cats are spider slayers, so I don't have to worry about the ones in the house :P
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 14, 2018 6:43 PM CST
I think your spider was a harmless daddy longlegs (harvestmen) which isn't a spider, since it doesn't have 2 body segments. There are many different types of harvestmen. :)

https://royalalbertamuseum.ca/...

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Name: Porkpal
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Aug 14, 2018 8:28 PM CST
@Mike I've been trying to pet the resident fuzzy jumping spiders, but ours don't seem very receptive to the idea.
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