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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Mar 24, 2019 8:24 AM CST
Sergey, WOW, congratulations! Hurray!
Just as a side observation: I suspect that you might need a second growlite tube, parallel to your existing one. The outer seedlings are bit too far away and are elongated for that reason. From your picture I can't have measurement estimation but it would seem that the spread is a bit to much so that enough light reaches to everyone.
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Serjio
Mar 24, 2019 10:36 AM CST
Thanks, Arturo! Next time I will definitely try to use two tube.

Also this winter I tried to artificially germinate seeds of species oncocyclus (iris Iberica) method of incision of arillusom (a distinguishing feature of the seed oncocyclus and regelia), which he wrote about here on the forum Shawn. So I took 5 seeds, soaked them in water for a week, and then I did the surgery.

Then I put the seeds in bags of wet perlite into the light. after a while I saw that there were sprouts. Although it was clear that they were damaged by the blade, but despite this, they were able to continue to grow. I guess I hurried and planted the seeds in the pots, so I only had one seedling left, the other two rotted in the sand. I must say that I did not disinfect the sand. In addition, the soil was too wet to oncocyclus.
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Other seeds of oncocyclus who have not participated in the experiment, I have still stratified in a natural way in the garden
Name: Brad
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ARUBA1334
Mar 24, 2019 11:27 AM CST
Elsa.. Good Crosses Smiling especially like (Beauty Within) as a parent it has given me some beautiful seedlings. Keep working with that one should give you so nice formed flowers.

Serjio.. They look good Smiling I grow all of mine in a greenhouse so they have months of a head start to get going.. our growing season is May-October here so I try to get them started early so they will bloom the following year. My plants always stretch just like yours did so if you start them inside maybe try using gallon pots next year it will let them grow more roots and when you plant them make sure you cut the foliage back within weeks after rooting they will grow back quickly.
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Serjio
Mar 24, 2019 11:35 AM CST
after 2 months have passed since I sowed the seeds of hybrid bearded irises, I had such crosses, the result of which remained zero - not a single seedling has risen during this time. It was crosses with the cultivar Twilight Rhapsody. I must say that he has a super fertile pollen, they pollinated almost all irises. But the seeds were not suitable. Perhaps in the second year some of them will rise, but I didn't wait. I thought that if it is possible to artificially grow the Aril irises, why not to try with the seeds of bearded irises? moreover, in the literature, such experience has already been described. I was able to dig out of the ground in pots about 80% of these seeds. I washed them, then with my grandfather's old razor blade (which is still from Soviet times), I cut off part of the peel and endosperm in the micro-saw (visually in the part where the seed is attached to the seed pod). You need to cut exactly before the embryo becomes visible.

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After that, I put all the seeds in bags of perlite. I must say that sometimes I got too wet perlite. It is necessary to try that in packages there was more air and perlite did not stick together. Also, seeds that touch the package are more at risk of rotting. Later, I tried to use a slightly damp coconut substrate instead of perlite. Although it is of organic origin, but the result I liked more. And the seeds inside didn't touch the plastic film.

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Ultimately, from these seeds grew an average of 5-15% Is much better than nothing. Now I have a chance to see these seedlings bloom next year. What would not have happened without these manipulations.

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these are the seedlings that got a " second chance" Smiling
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Serjio
Mar 24, 2019 11:39 AM CST
ARUBA1334 said:

Serjio.. They look good Smiling I grow all of mine in a greenhouse so they have months of a head start to get going.. our growing season is May-October here so I try to get them started early so they will bloom the following year. My plants always stretch just like yours did so if you start them inside maybe try using gallon pots next year it will let them grow more roots and when you plant them make sure you cut the foliage back within weeks after rooting they will grow back quickly.


Thanks for the advice, Brad. About pruning leaves-also very important in the near future. In a week we will have spring, cherry plum and apricot will bloom. I think that it will be possible to plant irises in the open ground
Name: daphne
san diego county, ca (Zone 10a)
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shizen
Mar 24, 2019 2:52 PM CST
thank you sergey and brad for sharing your experience, experiments, and journey of your seeds with us.

if i had a next lifetime Hilarious! i would definitely love to do the experimentation, too. but, living through your experience vicariously, gives me as much thrill to see all the beauties that emerge! Hurray! keep up the good work.
Name: Elsa
Las Cruces, New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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GreenIris
Mar 25, 2019 11:05 PM CST
Ev: Thank you so much!! I am excited about your crosses too.

Sergio: How exciting! I can't wait to see your resulting blooms!!!

Brad: Thamks for the encouragement!!! I love Beauty Within and Butterfly Affair. I can't imagine they could have an ugly kid...But I have a feeling I might be in for a surprise or two Smiling Brad, Beauty Within's seed pod had 63 seeds. Is that unusual or not?

I think the people who grow Irises are about as special as the flower itself!
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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Polymerous
Mar 26, 2019 12:15 AM CST
shizen said: if i had a next lifetime Hilarious! i would definitely love to do the experimentation, too. but...


Well, so far as I know, I don't have a "next" Earthly lifetime (and the clock is counting down on this one), but it's not stopping me. The anticipation of seeing "what's new and exciting" (as one former co-worker put it) in the seedling patch is one reason to keep on going on.

(Though of course there are limitations for all of us... health and garden space may be a factor, and here in CA, water... Glare )

Try a cross... just ONE cross...you know you want to! Hilarious!

A 'Premonition of Spring' - PCI time already?!
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Mar 26, 2019 12:57 AM CST

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Serjio: Looking forward to the results!

Daphne: give it a go. It's easier than you think and fun just to play around making a few crosses.


Back in November 2018, I noted that I had a promising pod from this cross:
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The inverse cross didn't take. I think I'll be trying a few more early-flowering crosses with 'Saffron Drift', as I was impressed with how well it stood up to the weather (just about everything else ended up with a lean or blown over).


Well, in early January the pod cracked and I harvested it. There were 32 seeds inside:

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Based on Robin's experience with direct planting (rather than drying then soaking the seeds), I decided to try planting the seeds out straight away (since I can always repeat the cross if the experiment failed). After about 10 weeks, the first couple of seedlings appeared; now there are five:

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It will be interesting to see if more come up in Spring.
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Serjio
Mar 26, 2019 1:12 AM CST
Australis said:

Well, in early January the pod cracked and I harvested it. There were 32 seeds inside:

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Based on Robin's experience with direct planting (rather than drying then soaking the seeds), I decided to try planting the seeds out straight away (since I can always repeat the cross if the experiment failed). After about 10 weeks, the first couple of seedlings appeared; now there are five:

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It will be interesting to see if more come up in Spring.


I think you'll have more seedlings. When direct planting irises sprout more unequally than post-stratification.. Good luck!

In our climate with a direct landing there are difficulties. My father sowed the seeds after they were harvested. Some ascended immediately after 3 weeks (!), the other part sprouted for a few more months before the onset of winter. But the Winter was snowless and warm, resulting in many seedlings pushed out of the ground along with the roots due to the constant thaw and they died. Now all hope for those who have not yet risen, but must rise after exposure to natural cold.
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Mar 26, 2019 1:20 AM CST

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Thanks Serjio! We are heading into Autumn here, so the temperatures will continue to drop until the coldest month of the year (July). We don't get snow here in Melbourne; in fact, the climate is warm enough to mess with the seasonal cycle of some of my Liliums.
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Name: Elsa
Las Cruces, New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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GreenIris
Mar 26, 2019 8:58 PM CST
Thanks Joshua and Sergio for sharing your experiences. I think others experiences with hybradizing is pretty close to as interesting as doing it yourself.

I think the people who grow Irises are about as special as the flower itself!
Name: Monty Riggles
Henry County, Virginia (Zone 7a)
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UndyingLight
Mar 26, 2019 10:47 PM CST
Wow. Lots of handy info here! Thank you all! Thank You!
The iris season has begun with Cat's Eye!
Name: daphne
san diego county, ca (Zone 10a)
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shizen
Mar 27, 2019 12:56 AM CST
haha jan and joshua, you're both incorrigible kind-hearted souls at teasing. i did have pods with seeds last year. however, after offering them up, i had no takers, so into the compost heap they went. i'm sure nothing will sprout, as we don't get cold enough, cold stratification won't happen.

truly, truly, there's no room in the inn. there's barely enough room for what i already purchased, and some will have to wait years for a spot in the ground around here.

unless it's a seed volunteer around here, there's not much of a chance around here. Sticking tongue out Hilarious!
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Mar 27, 2019 3:01 AM CST

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shizen said:i'm sure nothing will sprout, as we don't get cold enough, cold stratification won't happen.


You should have a similar climate to me, Daphne, so if you plant out the seeds immediately after harvesting, you should get some to germinate (see my post above where I've tried this with 'Saffron Drift' X 'Hell's Fire').

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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Mar 27, 2019 12:37 PM CST
Joshua ~ I don't think that Daphne wants to get started, as when you do...then you want more space to grow them out...

Daphne, correct me if I am wrong. You will be looking for a new property if you start hybridizing, and you will have to figure out if it will be worth it. It is a lot of trouble to move, and especially if you happen to enjoy where you are. There is an advantage to having a smaller place, as it is easier to keep your gardens in order. The bigger your property, the more work!

“It was one of those March days when the sun shines hot and the wind blows cold, when it is summer in the light and winter in the shade.” ~Charles Dickens
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Mar 27, 2019 6:59 PM CST

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evelyninthegarden said:Joshua ~ I don't think that Daphne wants to get started, as when you do...then you want more space to grow them out...


Hint taken Hilarious!

I don't have much space to grow out my seedlings, either... thankfully, I have a generous neighbour and family (both of which have allowed me to use parts of their gardens).

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Name: Barbara
Northern CA (Zone 9a)
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iciris
Mar 27, 2019 8:05 PM CST
That's great Joshua. When our new neighbors moved in we were informed "they were into daylilies and not iris" Hilarious!
• “Whoever said, ‘Do something right and you won’t have to do it again’ never weeded a garden.” – Anonymous
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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Polymerous
Mar 27, 2019 8:31 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing

Watch YOUR garden, Barbara, or you might find part of it appropriated for daylily seedlings! Rolling on the floor laughing
A 'Premonition of Spring' - PCI time already?!
Name: Barbara
Northern CA (Zone 9a)
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iciris
Mar 27, 2019 8:35 PM CST
Whistling I did buy some daylilies last year.
• “Whoever said, ‘Do something right and you won’t have to do it again’ never weeded a garden.” – Anonymous

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