Roses forum: Jude The Obscure

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Name: Carly Rush
San Diego California (Zone 10a)
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carlysuko
Aug 20, 2018 2:55 PM CST
Who has experience growing Jude?
I love the look of it and am debating on whether or not I want it because on DA's website it says that it's a repeat bloomer. However, in NGA's database it says it only has SOME rebloom. If it doesn't rebloom all that great I'll go ahead and save the space for something else. Anyone grow it?
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Aug 20, 2018 3:13 PM CST

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I've edited the information in our database because all of my sources say it has good rebloom rather than some. It certainly reblooms well in my garden.
Name: Carly Rush
San Diego California (Zone 10a)
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carlysuko
Aug 20, 2018 4:57 PM CST
Thank you Zuzu I'm so glad to hear that! I've been wondering this for a long time so I'm glad I asked.

fisherwoman
Aug 20, 2018 5:28 PM CST
I had Jude for a few years here in zone 5 and let someone take him out. It was worth the space for it's unique coloring and large globular form, but the color didn't really match my other roses well enough to keep . If you like yellow/ apricot, it really is stunning in bloom with big clusters. Not a continual bloomer but kept up with the other flushes of roses. At certain phases it can turn pinkish or light yellow, the grapefruit scent is phenomenal.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 21, 2018 10:44 AM CST
Fisherwoman - I agree with you...the scent is amazing!!!! Mine died a long time ago, when I was new to roses.
Carol
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Aug 21, 2018 5:00 PM CST
I tried so hard to love this rose. I tried for 10 years and was happy to pull it out when other roses in the bed it was in, reverted back to root stock. It had sparse bloom for me. Little to no repeat bloom for me. Grows upright and tall. So, so happy that it is gone. For me, there are much better bloomers than that thing. Can you tell how I felt about that rose?
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Aug 21, 2018 5:05 PM CST
Looks to me like Jude may be one of those roses that needs a hard winter to perform big in summer. That makes me glad I never tried it in, essentially, Sunset Zone 23.
Name: Carly Rush
San Diego California (Zone 10a)
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carlysuko
Sep 23, 2018 10:58 PM CST
I don't know why it took so long for me to read this! Maybe this is not the rose for me after all since I live in a mild winter area. Thank you all.
Northern Californis (Zone 9b)
SmitaJoshi
May 30, 2019 11:04 AM CST
I saw Jude in a garden recently, and was blown away by shape and perfume. Can I grow it without v big support? The best place I have is in the middle of my perennial bed. I can provide it something like a wire obelisk to climb on, but not a big trellis or fence. Any suggestions?
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
May 30, 2019 7:51 PM CST
I have Jude....it's gross towards the end of season though, very spotty
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
May 30, 2019 8:27 PM CST
jerijen said:Looks to me like Jude may be one of those roses that needs a hard winter to perform big in summer. That makes me glad I never tried it in, essentially, Sunset Zone 23.


Are you saying that some roses require cold winter weather in order to thrive?
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
May 31, 2019 1:46 AM CST
MargieNY said:

Are you saying that some roses require cold winter weather in order to thrive?


Yes, gallica tyles for example, require cold for a certain duration to bloom properly or at all. Same thing with apples (a related family of plants), often the various cultivars have a listed required amount of cold hours (its better documented than roses)


Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
May 31, 2019 10:27 AM CST
Yes. Many roses -- even some moderns -- will grow huge and fail to bloom much without a winter rest. I think that's one of the reasons many Austin roses have "Jolly Green Giant" syndrome in very mild climates.
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
May 31, 2019 11:30 AM CST
jerijen said:Yes. Many roses -- even some moderns -- will grow huge and fail to bloom much without a winter rest. I think that's one of the reasons many Austin roses have "Jolly Green Giant" syndrome in very mild climates.


Thank you for that explanation.
I know that when I want to germinate iris seeds, I plant them at Thanksgiving time (cold) = stratification
Weather/environment certainly plays a large role.
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
May 31, 2019 5:08 PM CST
I had Jude at one time. He is long gone. Just not my favorite Austin. Little fragrance and bloom in my Cali climate. He does tend to grow straight and tall. After having him for about 10 years and really trying to see what all the hype was about and never really experiencing it in my climate, I got rid of him. Only regret was that I didn't do it sooner.
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
May 31, 2019 5:21 PM CST
I have Jude for few years it didn't do well in the front yard. I just put it in container and realize how much I missed last few years! I love the fruit smell and elegent color!
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AnnKNCalif
May 31, 2019 7:37 PM CST
I've had Jude for five years or so and he's thriving in my yard and probably my largest DA rose. I'm in 9b near Napa Valley. That said, he was the slowest growing rose of all the Austins.

He was tiny like this photo in 2014 and 2015. He came as an own-root band from Heirloom.
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But in 2016-2017 when we got 48" of rain during our rainy season he took a leap and was a smaller version of the photo below.
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By the end of 2017 he was 5-6 ft x 6-7 ft and blooming really well.
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He produces tons of very fragrant blooms.
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I don't think I could be without this rose.

Ann

Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
May 31, 2019 7:47 PM CST
Didn't have it, to say... But, I wonder if own root versus grafted, makes a difference. Also, if it were potted, as opposed to planted in the ground & given a shaded root system, either way, may have helped with results. I'm not so partial to yellows, as I am to pink, but those methods, just may have made a difference in growth & flowering, in warmer areas, bordering in not being quite cold enough..I'd probably try most David Austin roses, had I the abiility to afford numerous quantities ! Some people didn't care for Harlow Carr, due to thorns & thought the flowers didn't rate. But for me, it was stunningly beautiful & flowers & fragrance, almost unreal. Wish they grew well, for everybody.
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
May 31, 2019 7:56 PM CST
Excellent job, Ann. Maybe it just needs some time & proper conditions ( including adequate water, supply) to become well established. Love that cabbage look, when just starting to open. Maybe, too southern Californian, is just a little too far south & a bit too warm in winter ?
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
May 31, 2019 8:42 PM CST
Wow, Ann, your Jude looks so beautiful!!!
We are I'm similar zone and I hope mine can be like yours someday!
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