Roses forum: And Palatine Delivers!!

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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Apr 6, 2012 6:11 PM CST
I got notification from UPS on Monday that I would have a package coming in from Buffalo NY for delivery on Friday 4/6. Could NOT figure out what it was.. I didn't have anything outstanding from eBay...

totally forgot about Palatine. So talk about a WONDERFUL surprise when I got home this afternoon!
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Gotta dig holes now! I have them soaking.. they'll go in the ground tomorrow at the absolute latest.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 6, 2012 6:15 PM CST

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Look at all of those canes! Look at the roots!

Don't soak them too long, Toni. Multiflora hates soaking.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Apr 6, 2012 6:18 PM CST
Amazing roots!
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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Apr 6, 2012 6:44 PM CST
how long should they soak? I can put them in the ground now..
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 6, 2012 7:04 PM CST

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Put them in the ground now. Hortico always recommended a 20-minute soaking, with plenty of mud mixed into the water so that it wasn't a straight-water soaking. I'm not sure what the other Canadian nurseries recommend, but overnight is definitely too long.
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Calif_Sue
Apr 7, 2012 9:05 AM CST

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Yeh! you finally got Summer Song!
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Apr 7, 2012 2:18 PM CST
Hurray. Hurray! Palatine rocks.

My order has been in the ground for over a week and several of the roses are making leaves. The Palatine order from last year is pretty well on its way to being leafed-out by now.

I will admit that I did not soak the whole plant quite as Palatine recommends. After all, the canes and the roots were still moist: I had paid for three day delivery. Instead, I did what J&P used to advocate: Put the plant in the hole, fill it half with soil. Fill it the rest of the way with water. Then I kept it filled with water for about two hours. I left it overnight, then refilled the next morning. Twenty four hours after setting it in the hole I put the second half of the soil in the hole and watered it in. I know this worked perfectly for at least three roses. And all of the (pretty many) Palatine roses in my recent order look really good with deep green bark.

Only one cultivar out of more than a dozen looked a bit underdeveloped, and that may be because it doesn't get very big in the first place: Europeana. Fortunately I ordered six and it's a vigorous rose. So maybe in two years or so I won't know the difference.
Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Apr 7, 2012 3:27 PM CST
Europeana is the most hardiest of my reds. She's a huge robust rose that i never ever worry about. She's a powerhouse for blooms!!
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Apr 7, 2012 4:15 PM CST
Europeana even blooms well for me - almost never without one or more flowers all spring, summer, and fall. - No leaves but lots of flowers.
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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Apr 7, 2012 10:46 PM CST
I got all of them in. Red Intuition is front & center in my yard (I had lost a Blue Girl Crying so put Red Intuition in that spot), then I put Tarde Gris & Poseidon in my Pond Area (ripped out a Stainless Steel that had reverted back to Dr. Huey & tore out all the Silvermounds there as they took over the whole area!). Put Summer Song next to last year's Magenta & put South Africa next to Solar Flash. Put Day Breaker next to Hawkeye Belle and lastly put Summer Sun in the front yard next to the sidewalk where a Charisma was shovel pruned (it had never bloomed once in 3 years). Now debating on what to order for next year. LOLLLL!!
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CindiKS
Apr 8, 2012 3:25 PM CST
Oh I'm happy for you and anxious to see mine, Toni!
That has to be the healthiest looking rose order I've ever seen.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Apr 8, 2012 8:10 PM CST
Sounds wonderful. South Africa was my favorite buy from Palatine last year so I doubled-up this year. I was planning to plant a whole bed of Day Breaker, then I decided to distribute the five roses in other places. Hoping two will look good near Looping. And two serve as part of a transition from a red/orange/yellow bed to a pink bed.

How does Hawkeye Belle do for you Toni? It keeps appearing on my long list of potential candidates, but never quite gets onto the order list. It's funny, because when well grown, I think it can outclass a vast portion of floribundas and hybrid teas.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Apr 8, 2012 10:14 PM CST
Hawkeye Belle is, to me, a weak rose because I got her from RU and she was SOOO pathetically small in the ground. Her canes were about 1/2 the thickness of a pencil. She died 100% back to the ground both in '11 & this year, but she's coming back again, so I'm giving her props for that. Her blossoms, however, are to die for. She's GORGEOUS. I'm not one for pastels or for pinks, but I'm VERY glad I got her. I just wish I could find her in a thicker, perhaps budded, form! Own Roots are wonderful, but I never seem to get them *thick* enough to last my winters. Bleh. I'm probably going to feed her lots this year to see if I can get her to thicken up. Every single one of my RU roses always managed to stay thin except for Orange Velvet.. that's the only one that has thicker canes, but I think that's because he's right next to the house & is VERY protected from the cold in the winter due to being so close to the house. Plus no winds, blahblahblah.

Here's my picture of her: Of course everyone else has MUCH prettier pictures of her than I do! Zuzu & I were uberconfused about her at first.. when she first bloomed, she bloomed WEIRD. If you look at this thread The thread "June Blooms in the high country" in Roses forum and do a search for Hawkeye Belle, you can see where she originally bloomed an apricotish yellow (?). but then she finally settled on pink.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Apr 10, 2012 8:41 AM CST
The Hawkeye Belle plants I saw in bloom were knee-high but very wide and covered in blooms. Each was small, maybe 2.5 inches wide, but perfectly formed. And they were a very pale pink, not quite white. Looks like Heirloom Roses and Roses Unlimited list it this year. Also, Angel Gardens. Anyone with experience there?

I have trouble with roses simply not growing, too.

I think part of it is that I tend not to water adequately (I've recently decided to double watering rations). And I've not been mulching adequately either (though I have now put down a yard of cedar mulch). I recently did some rudimentary soil testing and found that I'm not fertilizing adequately (Hoping 160 lb of Mills Magic will help a bit). Finally, I observe that hybrid tea roses on their own roots simply do not grow for me here; but floribundas on their own roots frequently do well. So I imagine the rooting qualities of a rose matters quite a bit. I'm not sure how good Hawkeye Bell is at rooting. One of the new tricks (for me) in planting roses has been to dig holes as close to 2 ft deep as possible, and mix in at least 50% Miracle Grow potting soil to loosen up and fertilize the zone near the bottom of the hole. Finally, having all the foliage nibbled off can set a rose back quite a bit, so this year I'm declaring war on furry nibbling critters that strip leaves from my rose bushes. A gallon of Liquid Fence is on its way. I've already used almost a half gallon of the stuff this season, noticed that it works for a couple of days after application. And a pair of squirrel traps is on the way, too. Maybe, just maybe I'll get some good roses this year.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Apr 10, 2012 9:08 AM CST
There's always Bambi burgers & squirrel stew. What about getting a dog to help chase the fuzzies away? A golden retriever would be a good match. Just looked at the label from what Liquid Fence is.. it's a sulfur mix, so no wonder everything doesn't bother it! Putrescent egg solids & garlic? YUCK!

And with digging the holes 2' deep & putting MiracleGro soil in - that's what I did last year & didn't lose any Palatine roses (in fact, the only ordered rose I lost was Royal Amethyst from Edmunds as far as big roses and that's because I planted it crappily. I'm not counting the teenies from Burling.). 2 years ago (first order from Palatine) I lost 3 of the 4 'cuz I didn't do that (used only native soil, which is crap). In fact, only rose to survive at first from Palatine was Blue Bayou and that's because it was in a totally different bed (front yard vs. west side.. 3 of the 4 were planted there and none of those survived). Already debating on what to order for next year! LOL!! I was worried that Razzle Dazzle didn't make it as she looked PRETTY brown, but I started to pull back the mulch and, lo & behold! there were fresh little leaves down about 3" below the top of the mulch! Yay! So all of Palatine's survived. In fact, I didn't lose any of Cliff's roses either.. and I was worried about a few of them as I got them in so late. But I had planted them PRETTY deep with only like a couple of inches of canes sticking out of the surface and then stuck 3-6" of mulch on top of THAT. In fact, a few of them were so buried that I didn't even know *where* I'd put them, so I used the little yard flags that people use to point out where cables & pipelines are so I knew where to look for them this spring. And they all have growth! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! I'll be fertilizing them for the first time this year tomorrow as it doesn't look like I have any more snow in the forecast (I have a couple of more days where it *might* get down to 30 degs, but the roses can handle that cold w/o a problem). I wanted to wait as long as possible before fertilizing. Hate seeing new growth shriveled up because of a cold snap!
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Apr 11, 2012 10:19 AM CST
I'm delighted to hear that your roses are now surviving the tough conditions you face. It's good to know that soil amendment can make a difference. And I'm happy that the growing season is coming around in a timely manner.

If it's not one thing, it's another. Once I get the soil right, I may need to worry about water.

Two days ago DW and I took a bike ride around a local lake, Willow Lake. (our lakes - if they were in the Northeast - would be called ponds) and we noticed that the water level is dangerously low. Since we aren't expecting much rain before August, I'm getting worried about water rationing. No mention of it yet. I guess I need to start considering using rainwater from the catchment tank. I've now got too much invested in the garden to let all the roses die of thirst.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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Skiekitty
Apr 11, 2012 10:32 AM CST
Steve - At least you don't have any laws against collecting rainwater! Was illegal here for the LONGEST time.. was overturned.. 4? years ago that people could now harvest rainwater. Needless to say, I'd been doing it all along.. oops. :D I have a 32gal red "recycle" garbage can from Ace hardware (http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1045R?pricode=WT919&ut...) that I place in a strategic place under my eves and, whenever it rains, it drips right down into the bucket. If I put it against where the downspot is, that would have been illegal. So I "neglected" to clean my gutters and just let it pour out there in the middle then. Oops. Whistling Whistling Whistling But now I don't have to be so sneaky.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Apr 12, 2012 10:42 AM CST
When we looked at houses in Colorado, I was freaked out by the water laws there. The idea (implicit to not being able to collect rainwater) that a person might not have rights to the rain that falls on their property struck me as being beyond absurd. Fortunately, here in AZ people are encouraged to catch and collect rainwater. So when we added some space to our house recently, we put in a 1200 gallon tank and hooked it up to all the gutters. An inch or two of rainfall will fill it up.

I'm glad that the laws in Colorado have changed - good for you and your garden.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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Skiekitty
Apr 12, 2012 10:54 AM CST
I have new leaf buds on Summer Song!! I noticed this morning when I walked over it to get to my hyacinths (cut 3 stalks to bring into the office.. *swoon w/the scent!!*).

Where I live, we don't have too much encouragement from the city for xeriscaping. Aurora, however, has a law on the books that you can get a reduction on your property taxes for every square foot of grass you remove & put in xeric landscaping. I asked my city if they're doing that, nope.. they like having grass everywhere. What a waste. But I'm not even on that city's water system.. I'm on a co-op. I just got my waterbill in.. $73 for 1 month. BLEH. Bad thing is that over $60 of that is fees.. sewer fees are $43 alone!! And that's for everyone in my co-op, no matter if you're a couple w/no kids, no grass, no dishwasher, water-saver toilets & HE washing machine or if you're a family of 5 with 3 teenage girls who take hour-long showers. But their water usage is also ridiculous, too, which mine isn't. Then you have hookup fees, storm sewage fees, connection fees, this fee, that fee, & the other fee. Thumbs down Thumbs down Thumbs down
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses
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Steve812
Apr 12, 2012 2:14 PM CST
I understand the frustration with fees. We put up solar panels last year. In this part of the year we sell more electricity back to the power company than we buy. Last month we used $10 worth of electricity, but the bill was - oh, I can't remember - $84? $2.50 for meter reading, even though they installed the sort that can be read remotely. That kind of stuff. Started me thinking about the economics of just going off-grid even though that would require installation of a small gas-powered generator and a battery bank.

Power is a thing that gets delivered every day. Not so true of water, here. But it's even harder to live without water than it is without electricity. So I suppose we'll pay whatever it takes to have it. Fortunately here the fees here are a little more related to usage.

Heh, heh, I bet you could get even with the water company if they don't charge adequately for high water usage: roses are thirsty plants.

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