Plant ID forum: What is this vine?

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Name: Dee
Middletown, IN (Zone 6a)
jdjones622
Aug 21, 2018 10:25 PM CST
This vine is at our library which has a certified wildlife habitat. Can anyone identify it for me? The woman who designed and planted the habitat retired and now no one knows what the plants are! It is a slender vine which has grown very thick and well over 10 ft high up a wooden trellis. It has 2 different leaves. Or I suppose it could be 2 different vines growing together. I'm redoing my own gardens and plan to get some cuttings from the library. However, I don't want to get something that I don't know what it is! Thanks in advance.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Aug 22, 2018 7:49 AM CST
Hi & welcome! I hope I'm wrong but that looks like the invasive Akebia quinata vine. If so, it is not something you would want to cultivate on your property: Five-Leaf Chocolate Vine (Akebia quinata)

Articles:
https://www.mipn.org/plantlist...
https://www.in.gov/dnr/3123.ht...
https://www.invasive.org/speci...
http://www.inpaws.org/2012/ind...
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Name: Bill
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BigBill
Aug 22, 2018 8:25 AM CST
Could it be honeysuckle?
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Silversurfer
Aug 22, 2018 9:55 AM CST
BigBill said:Could it be honeysuckle?


No it cannot be honeysuckle .....Not with leaflets in groups of 5.
purpleinopp is correct...it is Akebia quinata. which has leaflets in 5

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Name: Dee
Middletown, IN (Zone 6a)
jdjones622
Aug 22, 2018 11:14 AM CST
I suppose it is a possibility, but it doesn't explain the two different types of leaves. I'll go back up there soon and get more pics. Maybe that will help.
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Silversurfer
Aug 22, 2018 4:00 PM CST
Welcome to the forums..just realised this is your first post.

Maybe this will help to convince you...they normally have 5 leaflets..... but they can also can have ones with 3 leaflets. see below.

AKEBIA QUINATA.....
https://landscapeplants.oregon...
Quote from above link......Oregon State University...

"Leaves alternate, palmately compound, 5 (sometimes 3 or 4) leaflets, each about 4-7.5 cm long, obovate or elliptic, tip emarginate (shallow notch), base rounded or broad wedge-shaped, bluish green above."
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Name: Dee
Middletown, IN (Zone 6a)
jdjones622
Aug 23, 2018 8:35 AM CST
Thanks Silversurfer and everyone else. I actually went back last night and looked at it a lot closer. I do think that is what it is. The 2 different leaves are simply new growth vs old. Does that fit? It also has simply been let go so it is very overgrown and I think that makes a difference in the pics I was seeing vs this particular one. I took a lot more photos which I can upload if anyone wants to see them, but I think you got it pegged. About the invasiveness, I can't see where it is listed as such here in Indiana. Am I wrong? Also, we have a specific project in mind, but I know I'm not supposed to ask new questions in the same thread. I started a new one and would appreciate any input you all have to that one as well. Thanks!
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Silversurfer
Aug 23, 2018 8:40 AM CST
Akebia quinata can have different number of leaflets.
It it is not new leaflets vs old growth leaflets.
The 5 leaflets start as 5 tiny leaflets.
The 3 leaflets start as 3 tiny leaflets and will stay like that.
The 3 leaflets do not grow into 5 leaflets.
Hope this helps.
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Name: Dee
Middletown, IN (Zone 6a)
jdjones622
Aug 23, 2018 8:59 AM CST
OK. So here are my new pics from yesterday. Tell me your thoughts now.
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Silversurfer
Aug 23, 2018 9:59 AM CST
Nothing has changed...... it is still a very healthy vigorous Akebia quinata.!

Sorry jdjones622 but I am confused as to what the problem with this identification?
Maybe you can explain.
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Name: Dee
Middletown, IN (Zone 6a)
jdjones622
Aug 23, 2018 12:25 PM CST
I guess there is no problem. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that it wasn't an Akebia quinata. I thought I was trying to understand! Thanks for all of the help!
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Silversurfer
Aug 24, 2018 3:14 AM CST
jdjones622 said:I guess there is no problem. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that it wasn't an Akebia quinata. I thought I was trying to understand! Thanks for all of the help!


I am sincerely sorry if my posts caused you confusion jdjones622.
I have edited my posts above to try to clarify things for you. Hope that helps.

Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL ๐ŸŒต๐ŸŒทโš˜๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒป (Zone 8b)
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purpleinopp
Aug 25, 2018 6:09 AM CST
The 4 articles I linked above give details about this vine being invasive in IN.


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The less I interfere, the more balance mother nature provides.
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