Daylilies forum: Confusion on ID of Chocolate Dreams

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Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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Ditchlily
Apr 12, 2012 9:31 AM CST
Confused I was recently posting pictures in the database and got to Chocolate Dreams and the flower I was posting did not look like the one already there. I have a clump with two mixed flowers, one which I thought was the real Chocolate Dreams because it looked like the auction photo and the other flower I thought was different. That different one actually looks like the picture already posted here. Confused Now I am not sure which is the real Chocolate Dreams (or do I even have the correct one). Shrug!

The description is
Chocolate Dreams (Shooter, 1996)
height 24", bloom 5", season M, Rebloom, Dormant, Diploid, Brown self with light green throat.


Here is the picture that I posted.


Here is the auction photo that I saved for comparison. (not mine and I would normally never post this)
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This is the flower in that same clump that I thought was incorrect.
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However, it looks more like the one posted here

and the one on the AHS site here: http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=2052&name=C...

and the one posted here: as well http://daylilyfans.com/woodlake/items/CHOCOLATE_DREAMS/

I am confused! Confused
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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tink3472
Apr 12, 2012 10:15 AM CST
I think your first one looks like Chocolate Splash by the Shooters. There has been discussions on other sites about this as well.
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Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Daylilies Cat Lover Ferns Hostas Lilies
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Ditchlily
Apr 12, 2012 11:29 AM CST
It does indeed look like that one. I have sent the seller an Email asking for clarification. We shall see what he says.

One thing that I can test when they bloom is ploidy. It seems that Chocolate Splash is a Tet, while Chocolate Dreams is a Dip. That should be easy enought to figure out.

I have checked my records further and realized that I actually bought "Chocolate Dreams" twice from different people. I know that I planted both purchases together to make a bigger clump. If I actually received different cultivars from each seller that would certainly explain the mixed clump. Sad

After looking at pictures from the Shooter's site I am now wondering if the other plant I have is actually Chocolate Dreams either. It actually looks more like the picture of Chocolate Ripples to me. http://www.mariettagardens.com/Catalog/C/Chocolate_Ripples.h...
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Chocolate Ripples')

What do you guys think?
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Apr 12, 2012 12:18 PM CST
It does look like Chocolate Ripples.
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Name: bb
north of boston on the coast
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lilylady
Apr 12, 2012 1:25 PM CST
Laura, if you are into brown daylilies, do you yet have Mathew Martin?

One of my favorites. Sorry about the sheen on this pic - later in the day with full sun.


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Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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Ditchlily
Apr 12, 2012 1:42 PM CST
Don't have that one, but do have the following:

BLUEGRASS CHOCOLATE FROST
FUDGE SUNDAE
DUKE OF DURHAM

I have some others, but have to go pick up kids/ Will see if I can find the pictures.
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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lovemyhouse
Apr 16, 2012 8:55 PM CST
Pictures, pictures!! Hurray! Hurray! Hilarious!
If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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Ditchlily
Apr 17, 2012 6:38 AM CST
Can't find a picture of Bluegrass Chocolate Sunday (it might not have bloomed last year as it was new or it just might not have been labeled, there are a few that never did get labeled in the middle of boom season)

Fudge Sundae (Mercer-R., 1989)
height 30", bloom 6.25", season M, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Chocolate red blend with yellow throat. ((Island Empress × Royal Ambassador) × (sdlg × Lunar Sea))
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Not quite as dark:
Duke of Durham (Elliott, 1977)
height 29", bloom 6", season MLa, Dormant, Diploid, Copper brown with purple eyezone and green throat. (Sea Warrior × Chocolate Pudding)
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More wine-red than brown but looks that way in my garden:
Gollum (Hanson-C., 1991)
height 22", bloom 6", season EM, Dormant, Tetraploid, Fragrant, Black purple self with chartreuse green throat. ((Royal Heritage × sdlg) × Tet. Grand Masterpiece)
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Another copper-red:
Hypnotized (Petit, 2005)
height 28", bloom 8", season M, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Polymerous, Copper with purple eye above green throat. (Baracuda Bay × Tet. Open Hearth)
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Mahogany Magic (Stamile, 1994)
height 21", bloom 4", season M, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Mahogany red with black eyezone above gold throat. (Obsidian × Tiger Kitten

In the shade
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In the sun
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Night Embers (Stamile, 1997)
height 30", bloom 5", season EM, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Fragrant, Double, Bing cherry red with white edges and green throat. (Double Phelan × sdlg)
Says it is red, but is very dark in my garden:
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Taken at the Huntsville Botanical Gardens
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Name: Jan
Hustisford, WI
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philljm
Apr 17, 2012 7:03 AM CST
I have Mahogany Magic - love it

This is Milk Chocolate:

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Also got Old Termite from Bobby Baxter last fall as a gift plant but haven't seen it bloom yet. ~Jan
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Daylilies Cat Lover Ferns Hostas Lilies
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Ditchlily
Apr 17, 2012 7:14 AM CST
One of JD Stadlers

Black Market (Stadler, 2005)
height 27", bloom 5.5", season EM, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, 20 buds, 4 branches, Black red self above yellow green throat. (Obsidian × Black Briar Bay)

More black than brown though.
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Another dark one

Bourbon Street (Petit, 2003)
height 27", bloom 5.5", season M, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Fragrant, Black with gold edge above green throat. (Fire Down Below × (Romeo is Bleeding × Jack of Hearts))
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Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
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monalisa18
Apr 17, 2012 9:53 AM CST
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My Bourbon Street. It's one of my keepers forever.
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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Ditchlily
Apr 17, 2012 10:37 AM CST
Nice!
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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lovemyhouse
Apr 17, 2012 5:20 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Apr 18, 2012 6:21 AM CST
Beautiful!!!
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Name: Teresa
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Apr 18, 2012 7:21 AM CST
I don't have any of the above plants. The color is interesting. I did win Quilt Patch on the LA this Spring. I will ck and see if it is in the data base. I collect quilts and daylilies, so I thought I had better get it too lol.

Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover Plays in the sandbox
Butterflies Region: Texas I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member Annuals Garden Sages
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lovemyhouse
Apr 18, 2012 5:53 PM CST
Teresa, I put in a Quilt Patch last Fall. Really looking forward to seeing it. Share photos?
If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Teresa
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Apr 19, 2012 4:47 AM CST
I will if it blooms Debra. I am looking forward to getting more pics of my daylily blooms this season. Last yr I had family members in the hospital so I didn't get many quality pics.

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