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Apr 12, 2012 1:43 PM CST
|Why is it that these 2 plants looks so different?|
Blc. Rustic Spots and Blc. Emily Simmons 'Mendenhall'
Is it just the toss of the genetic dice?
Apr 12, 2012 4:30 PM CST
|Lindsey, not an expert here, but I am not sure I understand the question? You are comparing Blc Rustic Spots and Blc Emily Simmons and you are asking why those two look so different?|
Surely you have already looked up their immediate parentage at the RHS website ( see below) and noticed different parents?
and here is Emily Simmons at "room genealogy" where you can see the whole parentage down to the primary cross. Please take a look!
and Rustic Spots
The parentage is totally different. If this was not your question, I certainly do apologize!
Apr 12, 2012 5:10 PM CST
|I had not looked up the parentage and I thank you for the links..which I will scrutinize shortly.|
My assumption..( and we know what happens when you assume..!) was that ' Blc.' meant
they were all from the same parentage.
now off I go to scrutinize the links....thanks Ursula!
Apr 12, 2012 5:17 PM CST
|You are welcome!|
Apr 13, 2012 4:59 PM CST
|I looked at those links and see how different the two plants are, but am still confused |
If I have a Labrador Retriever dog and you have one we both know they are similar, brown, black, yellow and usually blocky build.
If we have standard Poodles, we know they are incredibly smart, with a curly coat, and a pointy nose.
If we have Labradoodles we know they usually have a curly coat, are less blocky built and basically have the best of both breeds.
I guess I was thinking that ALL Blc plants came from the same ancestry and so would be more similar.
I have sooo much to learn!
Apr 13, 2012 5:54 PM CST
|If you ever look up Catts, Laelias, and Brassias on http://www.orchidspecies.com/, you will find there are a LOT more of them, in all sizes, than there are Labradors or poodles, and it takes a real expert to know which have the dominant traits.|
Apr 13, 2012 6:53 PM CST
|Lindsey, looking up Mendel might help you ?|
And if you are sick and tired reading about Garden Peas, just picture the members of your own family.
Apr 14, 2012 5:24 AM CST
|The way I think about it is, Blc. is a combo of alliances, not particular plants. It alerts me to the three influences involved. But then if I think about each alliance, I know that there is Laelia purpurata and Laelia liliputiana. They are vastly different. So the Blc. label is not enough info for me to know about how that plant will look.|
On the other hand, I am lately starting to look at a plant and use the appearance to notice who a specific parent plant might be. But working from the label would be impossible for me.
I hope I haven't confused you further.
Apr 14, 2012 2:45 PM CST
|Thank you all, for your input...I am glad I do not have to take any tests or remember any |
factoids.My poor brain, is like a VERY small closet and if I bring in anything new to the
closet...something already in there MUST go. So I will be happy with the fact that I can get
so many beautiful plants to bloom..despite my ignorance and ineptitude. . . and maybe, in
baby steps some of this very cool information will stick!
Apr 14, 2012 6:44 PM CST
|Lindsey, " don't worry, be happy", the things that are important to you will stick.|
Apr 15, 2012 12:00 PM CST
|Like my name and address? |
Apr 23, 2012 3:28 PM CST
|Lindsay, I'm a relative orchid newbie, and the whole name thing baffles me, I must say. But my interpretation of your question is, why is one Blc. tall with long leaves and another Blc. is shorter with rounded leaves, right? Maybe I can try for a more basic explanation. |
So, there are thousands of different Brassias, Laelias, and Cattleyas, as I'm sure you know. Some are big, some are small and they flower in lots of colors. So if one cross had parents that were small plants, you'd expect to get a small plant. The other cross may have had larger parent plants with longer style leaves, thus you got the taller traits.
Going with your dog analogy, if you had a really BIG Lab crossed with a standard poodle, you'd expect to get a really big Labradoodle. If you had a small Lab crossed with a mid-size poodle (if that is possible) you'd expect a Labradoodle that might only be knee-high. But you might get a bigger dog if one of the grandparents was big. Even if you had two puppies from the same parents, they aren't always the same size, shape or temperament unless they're identical twins.
It's the same with orchids. I've read that when they breed an orchid, they can't get the name registered until they've crossed it enough times that the traits (size, leaf shape, flower color and form) come true with every plant. Another reason that named, registered orchids are so expensive - there's a lot that goes into the breeding, and years of growth to get it to breed true, then to a size that you can buy it in bloom.
"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
Apr 23, 2012 8:32 PM CST
|"they can't get the name registered until they've crossed it enough times that the traits (size, leaf shape, flower color and form) come true with every plant. "|
Hmm, I am sure you simply phrased that a little funky?