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Aug 26, 2018 9:01 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Hi! Please, this is NOT a discussion to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding gluing flowers onto cacti. Please visit one of the other existing discussions for that, or start a new one.

I think we've all seen these:
https://cactiguide.com/article...

It is the plants that grow that flowers, Xerochrysum / Helichrysum bracteatum that I hope will yield some comments.

MOBOT article: http://www.missouribotanicalga...
Wiki has a lot more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

It seems like the perennial forms are found more often (or at all?) about anywhere but the US:
http://www.thelovelyplants.com...

RHS does not mention perennial forms:
https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/...

Being dry-climate plants, it seems like they would go well with c/s plants, especially in light of the above-mentioned gluing relationship that demonstrates that (yes, I know not all) many people are attracted to the unusual paper-feeling blooms when "found" on a cactus.

Curious if any c/s lovers here also cultivate perennial potted or grounded, X. / H. bracteatum plants?
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Aug 26, 2018 10:50 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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I do. I grow them next to and identically to my Zinnia species, which are Mexican plants from arid regions.

However, while they are arid, they are not really desert plants or succulents by any stretch and they still require a lot more water than any cactus with which I am familiar. Both these and Zinnias will wilt easily if too dry.
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Aug 26, 2018 10:56 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I grew them in CA a few times. They never reseeded themselves though. I tried to grow them here in Reno once because the straw flower on the cactus actually went to seed. They didn't germinate but it could have been my (lack of) care.
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Aug 26, 2018 11:01 AM CST
Name: Karen
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I've never grown them, but now maybe I'll give them a try!
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Aug 26, 2018 11:09 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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I tried two varieties, a dwarf one and the giant variety. Both of them ended up being pretty big, and I only kept seeds from the giant ones.

They flowered about 6 weeks later than Zinnias, which made me think they possibly weren't going to. They also have many fewer flowers in comparison, but they are so different that I think it is worth it.

I had originally planned to bring some inside to overwinter if possible, but I ended up not doing it out of laziness. I overwinter pepper plants and pelargoniums each year so I was planning on treating them more or less the same.
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Aug 27, 2018 1:53 AM CST
Name: Bea
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I grew them as annuals in my zone and used the dried flowers for many years in dried arrangements. They have many colors. Easy care do not shatter as dried flowers like others do ie like hydrangeas .

They did not self seed in my zone. Love these little beauties!
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Aug 27, 2018 6:30 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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The reason they do not shatter easily (and the reason they are glued onto cacti) is because most of what we consider the flowers actually the bracts, which are physically stronger than the flowers.
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Aug 30, 2018 10:41 PM CST
Name: Bea
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Jai_Ganisha ..Bracts are straw flowers not petals. That's makes sense now I never knew that and I grew them for years. Thanks for the info!
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Aug 31, 2018 11:07 AM CST
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If I remember correctly, a bract is a modified leaf.
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Aug 31, 2018 3:14 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Interesting discussion, TY, respondents. Smiling

The Wiki article has this interesting explanation:
Around the disc is an involucre of modified leaves, the bracts, which in Xerochrysum, as in most Gnaphalieae, are petal-like, stiff, and papery. Arranged in rows, these bracts curl over and enclose the florets, shielding them before flowering.[16] They create the impression of a shiny and yellow corolla around the disc. The intermediate bracts are sometimes white, while the outer ones are paler and often streaked reddish or brown (a greater variety of colours are found in cultivars).[17] These bracts are papery and dry, or 'scarious', with a low water content, unlike leaves or flower parts of other plants. They are made up of dead cells, which are unusual in that they have a thin primary and a thick secondary cell wall, a feature only found in sclerenchyma, or structural, cells, not cells of flowers or leaves.[18]"

It does not sound like anyone is cultivating a perennial one in the US, among those who have responded to this discussion.
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Aug 31, 2018 3:54 PM CST
Name: tarev
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I have seen these flowers before in my homeland, we commonly called it everlasting flowers, grown more for the dried flower market. Sold more often as dried flower garlands, for placement on altars. We only find these flowers there in the city of Baguio, the summer capital of the country, weather is cooler there.

flowers arranged in garlands
https://www.globalgranary.life...

flowers arranged in a bouquet
http://www.joybuena.com/2015/0...
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Aug 31, 2018 10:28 PM CST
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Tarev, thanks so much for those two links. I enjoyed all the photos. Green Grin!
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Aug 31, 2018 11:33 PM CST
Name: Bea
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Tarev...Enjoyed the links . Thanks for the info. Beautiful ways to use straw flowers. Halloween just around the corner they are the perfect colors.
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Sep 21, 2018 4:23 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL โ˜ผ๐ŸŒทโš˜๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒป (Zone 8b)
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If my post inspired anyone in the US to look for perennial species of Helichrysum, did you find any? Sold as plant or seed?
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