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Jack01
Sep 6, 2018 8:26 PM CST
It looks like Palatine will start taking orders on September 10th at 9:AM EST

Here is message from their website.

"For bare root rose order our shopping cart will open again September 10 9:00am EST with the first shipment going out mid November."

I am ready to place order on 10th
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Sep 6, 2018 8:33 PM CST
What are you going order
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Sep 6, 2018 10:31 PM CST

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It looks like the site update is complete, but I'm disappointed. There are only seven roses listed as "new," and only two of them are actually new. The only "new" Kordes rose, Prominent, has been growing in my garden for more than 30 years.

https://palatineroses.com/rose...

Here are the "new" roses:

https://palatineroses.com/rose...

I probably won't order anything from Palatine this year because I already have most of the roses they're offering. I would have ordered Augusta Luise (they misspell it as Augusta Louise), but I'm sure it will be sold out by the time I wake up that morning. The orders will start being taken at 6:00 a.m. Pacific time. The only other things I might have ordered would be the Pompon and Blush veranda roses, but I already have them and I don't have a critical need for "spares."
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Sep 7, 2018 12:14 AM CST
Zuzu - I'm hoping to get Auguste Luise too!!! I'm also going to try to get Bliss Parfuma. Does Prominent have a decent fragrance?

I'm also wondering about the fragrance of Emma Haftl and Celestine. Does anyone here know about their fragrances?

I'm also disappointed they don't have many new roses...there are a ton of climbers! There's a place I go to (doesn't mail) that's about 3 hours from me...they have great roses...I'll have to see in the spring what they carry. And there's also Hortico.

Carol
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Sep 7, 2018 12:39 AM CST
@Zuzu: I am going to make sure I am up at 6 am to order the following roses,
1. South Africa
2. Savoy Hotel
3. Augusta Luise
4. Ingrid Bergman
5. Jolie.

I LOVE their climbing roses collections, especially Rosanna. It feels like Sophie's Choice because I already ordered DA Teasing Georgia for the front garage pillars/fake balcony arch, and I am debating whether I should switch to Rosanna or stick with Teasing Georgia.

A year ago, If anyone told me that I would be waking up early to order roses, I would've laughed my a** off.
Name: Beth
Northern California (Zone 9b)
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Beth_NorCal
Sep 7, 2018 8:16 AM CST
Yeah, not a whole lot of new stuff. I had the same thoughts as you Zuzu. AUGUSTA LUISE will be sold out before I get up. Oh well. I think SUNSET DREAMS is so similar, if I lose out it won't matter really. In fact, I may not even place an order at all. I have to stop. I seriously can't handle the ones I have. Altho I'd really love to get EMMA HAFTL. And my LUCILLE BALL just died. Aaah... we'll see how I feel on Monday...
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Sep 7, 2018 9:29 AM CST
I think Celestine looks interesting in that it is a shorty snd the color is lovely, at least in their picture. But, I am holding out for Tamora and prospero, neither of which Paletine carries
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Sep 7, 2018 3:30 PM CST
RoseGuy - I know!! I am not an early riser!! And you know they probably have 3 Augusta Luise roses...and about 300 of us want one. Rolling on the floor laughing Good luck to all of us. Sighing!

Beth...my Lucille Ball has been a crappy rose for me from day 1. Sighing! Powderfy mildew to kingdom come!!! I'm tossing it this year...4 years is enough.

Yes, I was disappointed to find only 3 that I want to get. I was hoping they'd get a bunch of new varieties.

Carol
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Sep 7, 2018 3:48 PM CST

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Canadian_Rose said:Zuzu - Does Prominent have a decent fragrance?


I'm usually the wrong person to ask about fragrance, Carol. I've been stung by bees so many times while smelling a rose that I no longer allow my face to get anywhere near a bloom. Unless the fragrance wafts out at me, I don't know whether a rose has any scent at all. Our database says it has a mild fragrance.

Rose (Rosa 'Prominent')
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Sep 7, 2018 3:50 PM CST
Apparently roses marked "New" are ones they have not offered in the past not recent releases. Darlow's Enigma is "New"; mine is at least 10 years old.
Porkpal
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Sep 7, 2018 4:00 PM CST

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Yes, "new" means new to Palatine's assortment, and "back" means Palatine once offered it and is now offering it again, but "new" used to also include lots of truly new Kordes roses. Now there are only two 2018 releases among the "new" roses, and neither is a Kordes rose. It's too bad that Palatine first stopped carrying David Austin roses and is now carrying only a limited number of Kordes roses. It's no longer a one-stop-shopping source.
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Sep 7, 2018 5:06 PM CST
I am so surprised to see Palatine list Blush Veranda (formerly Blush Flower Circus) as a miniature that grows 1.5 - 2.5 feet tall. Here is mine growing next to the front door of my former house. I brought it with me to the house we moved into five years ago, and it is every bit as tall right now. Pompon is also about chest height, even though it is also listed as a short mini.

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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Sep 7, 2018 5:16 PM CST

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I remember that yours are about 4-5 feet tall. My Pompon and Blush are only about 2 feet tall, but they started out as own-root bands from Northland Rosarium. I would bet that the same roses grafted onto multiflora would get twice as tall. I'm even more surprised by Palatine's description of Pomponella as 3-4 feet tall. Mine from Palatine is at least 8 feet tall.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Sep 7, 2018 6:10 PM CST
I was wondering how accurate people had found Palatine's size estimates to be. I guest you've answered my question.
Porkpal
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Sep 7, 2018 8:05 PM CST
Thanks, Zuzu...guess I'll pass then. Whistling

Mike - your front flower bed is beautiful!!! Lovey dubby Wowza!!

Carol
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Sep 7, 2018 8:14 PM CST
Unfortunately I didnt see anything that I need from Palatine
Regans has a ton of new releases that look pretty Interesting
I am trying to find one place that has everything I need to save on shipping
Speaking of shipping, My David Austins may be stuck in traffic with the freeway closed between California and Oregon due to a fire
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 9, 2018 9:59 AM CST
Shyam,
I have planted both Roseanna and Teasing Georgia. The former has longer canes and seems more vigorous in my garden. The mid pink flowers have a light green apple smell. Its flowers are a little smaller and a little less wonderfully sculpted, though. When Teasing Georgia is in full bloom it has a lot more flowers than Roseanna ever has. And the color contrasts better with the foliage. I think Roseanna is a very good rose, but I am much more pleased with Teasing Georgia in my garden.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 9, 2018 10:31 AM CST
I last grew Savoy Hotel more than ten years ago when I lived in NJ. It suffered from blackspot or downny mildew and has been hard to find in the last decade. Still, no rose is so reliably perfect in its HT form as SH, IME. So I am tempted by it. Still looking for a few hybrid tea roses that can fully withstand my many modes of torture here: low water, late frost, and so on. Mariejke Koopman is on the list to try. And my one Big Purple would be well suited were there another mirroring it across the path.

I'm a fan of Felicete et Perpetue. I thought I planted it once, and ended up with a Bishop Darlington. So it's a potential buy.

I need a rose that will grow in poor sand, resist browsing by deer, javelina, rabbits, desert rats, and more. And I'm tempted to try Splendens.

I suppose one benefit of being such a terrible gardener as I am is that many of the old standards may still be absent from my garden. And there might be just a few more open spots as a result.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Sep 10, 2018 12:08 AM CST
@Steve812: Thanks for sharing your experience with Rosanna and Teasing Georgia! It helped me in deciding against switching to Rosanna.
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Jack01
Sep 10, 2018 7:23 AM CST
Palatine rose site is down
It is 9:24 EST on september 10th, this is down since 9:00 AM

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