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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Oct 22, 2018 12:33 PM CST
I don't suspect the soil is the problem, the great majority of daylilies do well here, but I don't see many other photos in the database showing the type branching you are able to get. Do you have any other plants you have photos of with such nice branching and bud counts?
Name: Ronny
Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Ronny07
Oct 22, 2018 3:58 PM CST
Larry,

Unfortunately, I only had one such scape this season, I planted my first day lilies in the fall of 2017 (I wish I had more of that type of scapes) Smiling
Only Demetrius (Harris H. 1978) has been in the garden for more than 20 years
I can tell you that my Boundless Beauty is on the north side of the house, he has sunlight until about 10.00 in the morning and then stands in the shade of the house until about 16.00 in the afternoon, then he has about three hour of direct sunlight in the evening.
That is only 5 to 6 hours of direct sunlight per day.
I will take a soil sample at the weekend to determine the pH, the compost that I use has a ph of 8, probably that measurement will be high.
I do have another picture of the same scape;


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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Oct 22, 2018 4:07 PM CST
Stunning!
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 27, 2018 6:04 AM CST
Stunning for sure Drooling
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Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 27, 2018 6:06 AM CST
Ronny I have Demetrius also. It is a flowering machine. Mine has been here at least five years.
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Name: Ronny
Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Ronny07
Oct 28, 2018 12:13 AM CST
Hi Mike,

Demetrius is in my opinion a very reliable daylily who has stood the test of time, I read that many people still have this plant in the garden, many traders still have it in their catalog.
How many thousands of daylilies from that period have long since been forgotten ...
I have Demetrius in two different places in the garden, but I think I'm going to clear one for something newer
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 28, 2018 8:52 AM CST
Ronny I just posted a clump picture of Demetrius to the database.
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Name: Ronny
Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Ronny07
Oct 28, 2018 11:42 AM CST
Waw Mike, this is a lush flowering clump!
The foliage also looks good, juicy fresh green, and no old flowers on the scapes, beautifully finished picture!
The combination with the hosta cultivars looks rainforest like
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 28, 2018 11:58 AM CST
Thanks Ronny. It's all the way in the back by the fence.
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Oct 28, 2018 2:35 PM CST
Ronny07 said:Demetrius is in my opinion a very reliable daylily who has stood the test of time, I read that many people still have this plant in the garden...
How many thousands of daylilies from that period have long since been forgotten ...


So true. I bought 'Demetrius' in the mid-to late 80s, followed by its offspring, 'Blonde Is Beautiful'. A couple of years later I bought one last direct 'Demetrius 'kid, 'Matt', which was my first $100 plant. I still grow all three, and they are all great daylilies for different reasons. Harold Harris was a gifted and insightful hybridizer, and master of the colchicine conversion process.
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 28, 2018 8:28 PM CST
Ken what were some of his conversions ?
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Name: Ronny
Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Ronny07
Oct 29, 2018 3:42 PM CST
@CaliFlowers

I am glad you share my opinion on Demetrius Ken , it does not always have to be new to be beautiful.
From where in the U.S.A. was Mr. Harris actually? I once searched on the internet but found nothing about him.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Oct 30, 2018 1:45 PM CST
Mike, check here

http://oldsite.daylilies.org/2...
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Oct 30, 2018 1:50 PM CST
Actually, that site lists his cultivars, but this one talks about a conversion,

http://www.shieldsgardens.com/...


Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Oct 30, 2018 4:22 PM CST
@Ronny07
Harold Harris lived in Florissant, Missouri. As I understand it, he hybridized intensely for quite a few years, and then had some sort of epiphany regarding his daylily avocation—and the effect it was having on him—which resulted in the eventual sale of his garden to John Benz, who made several trips from Cincinnati in order to transfer all of the stock. Quite an undertaking.
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Oct 30, 2018 5:10 PM CST
josieskid said:Actually, that site lists his cultivars, but this one talks about a conversion,
http://www.shieldsgardens.com/...


Thanks for that link, I enjoyed reading it, although I don't understand the connection between tet. 'Hope Diamond' and 'Pearls and Gold'. 'Pearls and Gold' does have a great edge for its time, but its lineage traces back to Brother Charles' lines through 'Seth', and I imagine that's where the edge came from. Like its contemporaries, the edge is still undeveloped, but these cultivars provided the spark of interest that led to the extravagant gold edges which were to come. I still grow it, and even though I don't get the full effect of the knobs or fringe because of my cool evenings, it's still enjoyable for its form, opening, and (not apparent in the image) the soft pink blush overlaid with diamond-dusting.



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From Benz Gardens 1989 catalog

John created a much more extravagantly fringed flower with his 1989 'Wild North', which, unfortunately, seems to have disappeared. I've seen it in person, and it was really spectacular, with little tendrils and fingers hanging off the segments, and very well-branched scapes.

Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
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JamesT
Oct 30, 2018 6:44 PM CST
I really miss the old printed catalogs and price lists, especially the more descriptive ones. Benz Gardens and Crintonic Gardens catalogs had a great look and feel, as well as a sense of history and tradition, and told the story of daylily evolution. It'd be great if they were archived somewhere.
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 31, 2018 5:34 AM CST
Mary and Ken thanks for the insight and the links.
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Name: Ronny
Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Ronny07
Oct 31, 2018 10:53 AM CST
@CaliFlowers
@josieskid

Thank you for your research work Mary and Ken, you have a great knowledge of the history of daylilies and hybridizers.
So John Benz has taken over Harris's nursery, again learned something.
I have in the database of the A.H.S. seen that they have introduced 63 daylilies together with the name Harris-Benz between the years 1984 and 1990.
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Oct 31, 2018 11:56 AM CST
@Ronny07 You're welcome. Poring over all of these old catalogs is bringing back a lot of memories. Those were heady times, with a lot of advancements being made in tetraploid hybridizing. I first became aware of daylilies in the mid 1980's, and started out with a couple of older Hall, Reckamp and Griesbach cultivars from glossy general nursery catalogs that were coming in the mail. Then I joined the AHS and discovered that 'next-level' daylilies could be purchased directly from the hybridizer. I haven't been "right" since.

John Benz bought the garden from Harold Harris in the spring of 1984, which included several plants selected for future introduction, and many selected seedlings under evaluation, plus breeding and sales stock. He said there were a total of four trips made to Missouri in order to transfer the stock. John issued photocopied price lists in 1984, 1985, 1986, and 1987. He produced his first color catalog in 1988, and it ran through 2001, when he started his website. Any cultivars Harold had seen bloom were registered under the name 'Harris-Benz'.

@JamesT I've considered digitizing and archiving some of these old catalogs and price lists, but to do it right, it's very time consuming. Also, some of the covers on my copies are showing a lot of wear. I produced a PDF of the 1992 Benz Gardens catalog just to see how it would turn out. It includes the color cover and the new introductions section. Anyone interested, please TreeMail for a copy. Maybe I can get to some others on some of these upcoming winter nights...

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