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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 3, 2018 2:29 PM CST
Hi everyone Group hug

These are some roses I'm thinking of buying. What are your thoughts on these in particular: fragrance, bloomability and non-nodding canes/flowers. Any thoughts on these roses are welcome...and pictures are especially welcome!!! Smiling

1. Portrait
2. Bride
3. Lady Aberdeen/Awareness
4. Scent-sation
5. Sight Saver
6. Horatio Nelson

Thanks!
Carol
Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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nippstress
Oct 3, 2018 2:34 PM CST
Hi Carol
I know you overwinter your roses inside but most of my reports of these roses are dependent on their ability to survive the winter outside. Even in my most protected "tea row" spot the following roses never survived my winters: Portrait, Scent-sation, and Sight Saver. If they survived, I'd expect all of these to bloom like HTs in our short growing seasons - a short plant with a few blooms at the end of a few canes every 6 weeks or so. A better picotee rose than Portrait would be Nostalgie and that one has made it in a regular zone 5 spot and does better in a warmer location. It reblooms pretty well.
Awareness has survived pretty well in a typical zone 5 location and reblooms periodically. I don't get a ton of blooms on it, but it's just finishing its second year for me so it still might grow into its rebloom. It's a short rose, and it's in my curbside bed that has to stay 3' or less.\
No input on Horatio Nelson or Bride from me.
Cynthia
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 3, 2018 3:58 PM CST
Cynthia - yeah, you're right...winter hardiness isn't a factor for me. Thanks for the suggestion of Nostalgie...although it's not on the list for Hortico roses...I will keep it in mind. Smiling Hmmm...Awareness sounds like it would work. Thanks so much!!
Carol

FrankMosher
Oct 3, 2018 5:47 PM CST
Carol, if you have found a way to over-winter non-hardy HT Roses in your garage, with good surival rates, please enlighten us all? I have had such poor results, that I have given up trying to over-winter roses inside, except for an unheated greenhouse, where I have a 60-70% survival rate, still potted, depending upon the cultivar. Planted in the ground in the unheated greenhouse, very good results. i.e. "Caribia-Nee"Harry Wheatcroft"", "Love", "Berolina", "Elena",
"Tourese Latrech"(SP), "Irish Gold" and others which would never survive year round here outside, have been yielding beautiful blooms for years. Nippstress raised one of the cautions. Most HT. roses need to get the initial first hard frost up here in Canada at least, certainly Alberta, and probably in Nebraska as well, to signal their genetic being, to stop growing, and rest for the Winter. Then, how do you keep them from drying out through the Winter months in the garage, assuming they have had the hard frost? ? Do you water? They dry up very quickly inside, and as there is no new growth, it is easy to overwater and kill them. Hey, give us some examples of HT. roses you have overwintered in your garage, with success rates? Not disputing what you are saying, but would like clarification on how you do it? Cheers!
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 3, 2018 6:31 PM CST
Sure:
These are examples of roses I overwinter (zone 3) in the garage:
1. Grande Dame
2. Neil Diamond
3. Pink Peace
4. Memorial Day
5. Zaide
6. Nicole Carol Miller
7. Valencia
8. Night Owl
9. Buxom Beauty
10. Young Lycidas
11. Secret
12. Baronne Edmond de Rothschild
13. Peter Mayle
14. Betty White
15. Chandos Beauty (my favorite rose)
16. Paradise
17. The McCartney Rose
18. Jadis
19. Lucille Ball
20. Parfum de Grasse
21. Radox Bouquet
22. Lasting Love
23. St. Ethelburga
24. Carole Bouquet
25. Oklahmoa
26. Big Purple
27. Acapella
28. Gemini
29. Ch-Ching
30. Paradise Found
And many more. I never have a loss (well, except for one year...I had 4 losses...but I experimented (too lazy) with not covering them.

So what I do is this:
1. I start taking all the leaves off (at the cane) when the night temps are under freezing. I take a little off each rose as I have 55 or so to do this for (so that every rose starts to lose leaves).
2, When the temps get to -3C (26.6 F) or -4C (24.8F) I take all the leaves off (it's a marathon Whistling ). The coldest you should leave them out overnight (in the fall not the spring) is -6C/21F. If you have really cold sensitive roses then put blankets on them.
3. So then all the leaves are off...I water the roses really well. Then I water them again really well.
4. Then they go into the garage. I place them on leftover long pieces of hardwood. Then I leave them alone. I have roses that go right to the front of the garage.
5. When the temperatures get to -10C/14F at night, I put flannel sheets (from Value Village or someplace cheap) over the roses. When it gets to -20C/-4F I put more blankets on, and sleeping bags on the ones near the door.
6. Then around January or February I give them all a cup of water. Thereafter, every month they get another cup of water.
7. When the temps start to warm up (spring)...I take the blankets off.
8. They can go outside (if you have a few rose pots that you don't mind dragging in and out) when the temps are +5C/41F. If you're going to leave them out...then the night temperatures should be 5C/41F. For the occasional low night time dips...cover with flannel blankets or bring them inside.

Also, with blanketed roses, I am able to leave the garage door open while we shovel the snow, unless it's colder than -20C/-4F.

I hope that helps. Smiling
Caveat is that my pots are resin pots and are about 25 gallons. If you have much smaller pots or terra cotta pots...then this probably will need to be adjusted.
Another caveat is that I had a potted mixture made by a big company...they no longer make this potted mixture...so I'm using more of a 5:1:1 mixture with faster draining soil. So I'm going to be closely monitoring those pots to see if this needs to be amended. I may need to bump up my first water much earlier.
And yet another caveat is that my garage is insulated but not heated.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Oct 3, 2018 7:36 PM CST
Wow! What a system you have developed. I am very impressed.
Porkpal
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 3, 2018 11:30 PM CST
Porkpal - thank you!!! Nobody here can overwinter roses in the garage. When I was in the rose society here...my friend told everyone that since no one can overwinter roses in the garage..you should listen to Carol, because she can do it perfectly every time. So I told them...but everyone had an excuse as to why it wouldn't work...and no one tried it. My method may not work for everyone...but then try a variation. Thumbs up

Oh another caveat is that my garage is insulated..but not heated.

Carol
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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Oct 4, 2018 6:47 AM CST
Great system! Impressive! To move your roses, do you use a dolly or do you have little caddies underneath your pots with wheels? Just curious, do you still have room for cars when you are done? Also, totally off topic but am curious since we don't have to do that here, do you have to hook your car engine up to a heater to keep it from freezing if you leave it outside or inside?
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 4, 2018 10:37 AM CST
Mustbnuts...I use my husband Hilarious! and he uses a dolly. We live on a corner lot and so we have a 3 car garage with 2 cars in it. And since our cars are in the garage...I never have to plug them in. Although, I remember my dad always had to plug his car in over winter when he had 2 cars and one wouldn't fit in the garage. I remember when I used to live in Fort McMurray when the winters would get down to -50C/-58F for 3 weeks every winter...the first time (I was young then) I didn't know about that, and my engine wouldn't start. I just googled it and the answer is when the temps hit -15C/5F you should plug in your car.

Darn...I went to take a picture of my roses in the garage...but the camera batteries need to be changed. Oh well, my husband's coming home tonight...I'll get him to change them. Then maybe I'll remember to take a picture tomorrow.

Does anyone think this system would be useful to be posted somewhere where people can find it?

Carol
Name: Beth
Northern California (Zone 9b)
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Beth_NorCal
Oct 4, 2018 2:37 PM CST
Carol you had asked me about SIGHT SAVER in one of my threads, and it's funny, at first I was envisioning SCENT-SATION. They are located near each other in their flower bed. SCENT-SATION is a good one. I think you'd like it better than SIGHT SAVER. It does well in cooler temps and grows, for me, around 5-5½ft tall. The blooms are quite lovely, and the thrips don't seem to go for it as much as SIGHT SAVER. Sorry, again I don't remember scent.


PORTRAIT is a lovely rose. I recently had to replace my old one because it wasn't getting watered properly and died on me. I got both of them from Hortico but this last one that I got this spring I'm a little bit unsure if it really is PORTRAIT. The coloring is a little different from the old plant. This is the old one:


AWARENESS is a good one. Grows very tall, often reaching 6ft, at least here. It repeats fairly well, and usually has quite a few blooms. They'e nicely formed


I've had BRIDE for quite a few yrs and she's a bit of a dud. Doesn't do much. Stays around 2ft tall and rarely blooms. Could be the soil or something, but seems like at some point she oughta do some decent blooming.
When she does bloom tho, she's pretty.


Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 4, 2018 5:41 PM CST
Thanks so much Beth!! Thank You!

So the first picture is Scent-sation?? I didn't realize it was a striped rose. That is a striped rose, isn't it? It's beautiful!!! I will definitely get that one!! Oooooh!!! Your Portrait is gorgeous!!! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Be still my heart!!! I'm going to get that one too!!! I really love your Awareness too!!! Going to get that one too....but Bride...I'll pass on.

You have been so helpful! I tip my hat to you. Much obliged, ma'am. Thumbs up
Carol
Name: Beth
Northern California (Zone 9b)
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Beth_NorCal
Oct 4, 2018 7:48 PM CST
No it's not striped! It just happened to get a weird coloration on that bloom. Sorry about that. I was at my shop when I posted that and only had a few pics from '16 & '17 to choose from. Here's some more pics from this yr...

This is more normal. It's a peachy-pink with pale creamy yellow undertones that changes to apricot.





Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
Roses
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Mustbnuts
Oct 4, 2018 7:54 PM CST
Ah Carol, thank you for your response about your garage and vehicles. I think your process would be helpful to anyone that has such cold temps and wants to grow roses.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 4, 2018 9:38 PM CST
Beth - Wowza!!!! I especially love the last picture!! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby I'm so glad I'm going to get this rose!! Thank You!

Mustbnuts....yeah it would work for someone in zone 5 who wants to grow tea roses or zone 7 roses or something like that. I think I must be the coldest zoner here??? Do you have any idea what to do with it?

Carol
Name: Jim
Central Pa. (Zone 6a)
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jim1961
Oct 5, 2018 9:57 AM CST
Can't answer your question...lol

But how you doing Carol?
Things good here...
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 5, 2018 12:07 PM CST
Hey Jim I tip my hat to you.
I'm doing well!! My toe is almost healed (from falling down the stairs) and my back feels much better (ditto stairs).
How is your mom doing and the rest of your family?
I still wish everyone from Houzz would come here...but I'm so glad I'm not stressed out all the time from the crappy management there. It was too much for me. Thumbs down
Carol Smiling

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